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How Young is too Young? How Long is too Long?

 

It is no secret I love endurance sports. I try to recruit people into an endurance event, any event, that is 30 minutes or longer. I must admit, however, that I am cautious about recruiting kids for long distance events.

 

On occasion I'm asked to talk to junior high and high school kids about endurance sports. I talk about the dedication and mental toughness it takes to be an Olympian. I tell them that being active in sport helps teach valuable lessons about goal setting, winning, losing, dedication, patience, just loving sport and other lessons I've learned along the way.

 

 

I don't have kids, so I can't speak from the perspective of a parent. I would think most endurance junkies (EJs) are thrilled when their kids show interest in endurance sports. I would guess most EJ-parents constantly reinforce the kids with positive remarks about running, swimming, riding or the other EJ sport of choice. The kids get attention and love related to sport, and associate parental acceptance with sport, I suspect.

 

 

I did encourage my niece and nephew to participate in sports. It didn't really matter to me which sport it was, but I did encourage them to play sports. I attended as many games as I possibly could. Yes, I gave them attention when they played sports.

 

 

If I had kids, I suspect I would encourage them to swim, bike and run. Would I encourage my 11-year-old to do a century ride? How about a 50-mile run? How about an ironman-distance triathlon?

 

 

What if the child really, really, really wanted to do it. (Forget that they really, really wanted to eat an entire chocolate cake for dinner two days ago and that rational decision making for an 11-year-old person is often not rational.) Would I let my child, encourage my child, to participate in the long distance sports?

 

 

I don't think so. Too young, in my opinion. I would have concerns with burning the kid out on endurance sports at a young age. I'd be concerned about growth plates and over-use injury. I'd be concerned that the child would be so busy "training" that they would miss the social aspects of being a kid and end up the Michael Jackson of endurance sports.

 

 

Well then, how about when the kid turns 12? 13? 14? 15? 16? When?

 

 

How young is too young to do a century ride? How about a 50-mile run? How about an ironman-distance triathlon?

 

 

Do you think there are parents out there that push a child to do long distance events for the wrong reasons? Do you think there are event directors that would support allowing children do long distance events so a new world record could occur at their event? Or, do all parents, race directors and other support people have only the best intentions at heart for the child?

 

 

Parents, coaches that specialize in youth sports, endurance junkies-what do you think? How young is too young? How long is too long?

 

 

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Jan 10, 2008 12:28 PM GadgetBottle.com GadgetBottle.com    says:

Hi Gale,  I have two kids 7 (2cd grade) and 10 (4th grade)  My seven year old is much faster and can last longer running the track at school then almost everyone in the 1st, 2cd and 3rd grade.  My 4th grader is not a runner but she can swim like a dolphin.  I am fortunate that each of my kids has something they are really good at.   I do my best so they do not burn out.  However by 11 and beyond, some kids really get going and it is the responsibility of the parent(s) to gage things.  Check out a 12-13 year old soccer match, it is very competitive. A parent needs to advise kids to not get hurt,  that way by the time they are in  high school all their joints are working. Since I am 45 and most of my friends can not particiapte in things because they have old injuries, I thank my parents for teaching me to protect my knees, shoulders, elbows and everything else. Steve Lach www.gadgetbottle.com

Jan 10, 2008 3:32 PM Active Toby Active Toby    says:

We had a rule growing up, that I wasn't allowed to begin weight lifting until I was 16. This was enforced by my parents and in the meantime, I grew to 6'1". I know lots of folks from my cohort that began to early and stunted their growth. I'm glad they knew better. That's of course, in regards to strength training. I was also a competitive swimmer from age 6 to 14. We practiced most nights and traveled for meets on the weekend. This burned me out. I never wanted to swim again until this year. I also remember giving up on baseball because I was "pushed" to practice pitching, like a chore. When given the option of trying a different spring sport at my new school, I walked away from the years of practice, summer camps and the batting cage and pitching machine that my father purchased and constructed in our backyard. I revolted. Not because I didn't like the sport--I had a blast being out there with my friends and improving year-to-year. Why did I quit? For my independence? I was 14 and had something to prove. I still don't have an answer after all of these years... the potential I had makes me sick, so I just try to forget about it. The one thing that is for sure is that I was ingrained with a work ethic from a very early age which still shines through and has compounded over the years through my schooling, my job and my current athletic endeavors. So much can be learned about oneself through being physically active so starting at an early age can definitely have its benefits because of the lasting results... just be careful

Jan 11, 2008 7:05 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to GadgetBottle.com:

Steve ~

 

To be sure I understand you, I read that your opinion is that it is healthy and safe for a 12-year-old person to train for and compete in ironman-distance events and 50-mile running races (I'm removing century rides because the time to complete a century is much less that iron-distance and 50-mile runs). You would encourage your kids to do these kinds of events. Yes?

 

BTW - I am not saying that kids should not be competitive or learn about competition. (Your soccer match example.)

Jan 11, 2008 7:09 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Active Toby:

Toby ~

 

I'm trying to understand what you are saying - "just be careful". Boiled down are you saying the same thing as Steve?

 

"I believe it is healthy and there is nothing dangerous for long-term health about a 12-year-old person training for and competing in ironman events and 50-mile runs as long as the kid/parents are careful."

Jan 11, 2008 7:54 AM Active Toby Active Toby    says in response to Gale Bernhardt:

I don't think its healthy. I just don't see how a body going through that many changes, both physically and emotionally, could possibly benefit from such a high volume of training and competition.

Jan 11, 2008 8:57 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Active Toby:

Ah, then back to the original question - when? When do you think it is healthy and safe to have a young person do ironman distance events or 50-mile runs?

Jan 11, 2008 12:54 PM Active Toby Active Toby    says in response to Gale Bernhardt:

Children 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16 certainly have a right to be involved in these sports and activities to a degree. As far as competitive training for these long and serious events, I think they should hold off to coincide with the maturation of growth plates which, according to the age-old myth, is around 16 years old. What do you think Gale? Steve?

Jan 11, 2008 1:54 PM Guest Karen  says:

There is a reason NA Sports puts a restriction on age. You are not allowed to participate in an Ironman sanctioned race until 18 years old. Some kids/teens may think they are ready, but really. I would be very surprised to find enough teens that would be that dedicated. They may just want to finish, as most of us do, but what about all the complications??? I'm sure NA Sports would raise all their fees, as insurance for the event would go up to cover more, and younger individuals.  Some things in life are a blessing. I was not introduced to endurance events until my mid 20s. I think if kids/teens want to do these endurance events, they should wait their turn. You can't vote until your 18, so they can wait for this. I think one of the biggest problems with kids/teens today, is that parents let them do anything and give them everything. Set boundaries, let them mature. Teach them they can't have everything they want. Teach them to wait and the reward will be sweeter. Plus, if they can handle waiting a few years, they may be able to participate later in life as well. Or, they may find other interests and laugh that they ever thought about doing an endurance event. Let 'em train all they want, and when there time comes, then they will be prepared. Until then, wait your turn!

Jan 11, 2008 3:30 PM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Karen:

Karen and Toby ~

 

Disclaimer: I am not an expert in youth sports.

 

Yes, I was thinking Ironman North America (the company for "official" Ironman races) had a minimum age of 18. I couldn't find it listed on a website anywhere. The minimum age for Boston is 18 (in one of the links listed below). This does not cover the iron-distance races that are not associated with Ironman or the famous M-dot.

 

I have not found a specific policy on the USAT site regarding age limits for ironman distance races. I did not find anything on the ITU site regarding long-distance age limits. (Maybe somebody can help me out here.

 

Although there is some variation in the stages of development for males, females and individuals within that group, human development is mostly complete by age 18. One of the sources referenced below notes that a full 50% of injuries to kids can be prevented - by responsible adults.

 

My personal opinion is that children, youth, juniors under the age of 18 should be restricted to Olympic distance racing on the tri-side and half-marathons on the running side. Until then, like Karen in her well-written response says, wait.

 

There should likely be further restrictions to sprint distances and 10ks for kids under another, younger, age. Haven't thought this through yet.

 

Also, the Devil's Advocate has been knocking on my door all afternoon telling me there are parents pushing young kids to do long-distance events so they can have their name and their kid's name in some sort of record book. There are also media-driven race directors not associated with IMNA that are looking to promote their race and allowing kids to participate is certainly a way to do it.

 

 

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00040

http://www.apma.org/s_apma/doc.asp?CID=147&DID=9361

http://books.google.com/books?id=T-s3OAZdlhsC&pg=RA6-PA379&lpg=RA6-PA379&dq=growthplatesandendurancesports&source=web&ots=ZzhJj39qN2&sig=13wrx-lvHoKLV-I6JK3H1ohE2Do

Jan 11, 2008 4:34 PM Guest Karen  says in response to Gale Bernhardt:

I don't think you can find the age requirement on an Ironman site until you register through active.com. Unfortunately, you can only look it up when registration is open, and most fill up within minutes-days. As far as other iron-distance races, I know the Silverman Tri in Nevada has an age group for 16-19 year olds.

 

As far as other distances, I agree with Gale. There should be restrictions on ages and distances allowed. If parents and the media-driven race directors are striving to have themselves or races recognized, I think there are better ways to go about it. Parents, don't try to live through your kids. Race directors, if you put on a good race, you will develop a good reputation for the right reasons, and your races will grow.

 

Personally, I think the best way for kids/teens to be involved with any endurance event with an age requirement, is through volunteering. We've all seen the young ones out there helping. Without them, and all volunteers for that matter, we would all struggle to finish. And when I am old and nursing "old" injuries that allow me to not compete, I will be out there volunteering and encouraging those whose time has come.

Jan 13, 2008 8:48 AM Guest Allegra  says in response to Karen:

How about taking the competition out of it?  What about approaching any sport with an attitude that if your kid wants to do it, you provide adequate training gear, prorgram of exercise, and unconditional emotional/team support, even if your kid does really poorly at it, but loves it?  I agree that there are very few kids or teens that are able to participate in endurance sports, but I do feel that for those who have the maturity and ability, they should be offered the chance to do it.

 

More importantly, I'd like to ask about forgetting about skill level, and focusing on the love of the sport in a safe environment (both physically and emotionally).  I suck at triathlons, I suck at biking, I excel at swimming and international ballroom dancing.  I'm ok at running, but not at very high speeds.  I'm hoping that I'll be able to provide a positive climate for my kids to try everything and find out what they love best, providing them with a healthy lifestyle for the longterm as they get old enough to participate.  Perhaps our focus in sports should include more of a mind/body focus, rather than purely on skill-levels.

Jan 13, 2008 7:03 PM Guest Sarita  says in response to Allegra:

Im running a marathon in two weeks!

Sara, 17, FL

Jan 14, 2008 10:28 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Sarita:

Hey Sara ~



Best wishes to you on your run. I hope you have stayed injury-free in the training process and I hope you are one of the individuals that have matured early so there are no long-term downsides to your marathon running.



My concern is not that it is not possible for someone under 18 to run a marathon, rather is it healthy for them both short term and long term?


Best to you ~

Jan 14, 2008 10:36 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Allegra:

Allegra ~

 

Are you saying you believe it is healthy and safe, now and in the long term, for a 12-year-old person to train for and complete the long distance races talked about in this thread, as long as they have the ability and maturity level?

 

For me, I do worry about skills - those being the skills to do the sport correctly and to train correctly. If you mean skill as how well the athlete places, I think it should be de-emphasized. That said, I think at some point it is important to learn that not everyone is a "winner" every time, because it applies to life skills. When there are job interviews for one position - there is a winner. The fine qualities it takes to be a "winner" in life are important to teach as well. Too much to cover here, but doing your best, continuous improvment, etc.

Jan 17, 2008 11:24 AM Guest Jay Silvio  says:

Since I live in Maryland, the topic obviously reminds me of this:

http://community.active.com/thread/40346?tstart=0

 

MacKenzie Riford, a 13-year old from Hagerstown who used the Frederick Marathon as a training run on her quest to complete the JFK 50 Miler.

Jan 17, 2008 12:02 PM Guest Ken  says:

All good comments.  One thing to note though, for many sports, people reach peak fitness and race conditioning in their mid to late 20's.  Maybe not so much for "true" endurance sports, but I think the article started out with 30 minutes or longer.  My son competes in mountain biking.  The top national atheletes are in their mide to late 20's.  If you waited until 18-20 years old, you just won't be able to compete - unless your natural talent is just incredible.  You need to start younger.  But the sport is actually designed to deal with young riders.  When you first start out you're a "beginner", which usually means races that take maybe 30-60 minutes, which I think is very realistic and doable for anyone 10 years of age and older.  Then as you advance in skill and category, the races get longer.  I think for young atheletes, the risk is more about burn-out.  I see some parents really pushing those kids, they are putting in the hours those 20 year old pros are putting in, most burn out and quit.  Like someone mentioned, you have to let them be kids, and training 2-5 hours per day just doesn't allow that!  For my son, just ready to turn 16, he's doing about 2/3 the number of hours an adult would be doing trying to compete at the same level.  This is still quite a few hours.  We encourage him to try and stick with his plan, but if he says he just wants a break, we don't push it and he does what he wants.  Then we made sure he had some months between season, no biking unless he wanted to go ride with his friends, and just doing what he wanted.  But we encouraged him to remain active and he did. Once you get a habit of all that exercise, it's weird to totally stop, but if you can do what you want it's not like you're on a training plan.  As he gets older, he'll need to be more disciplined and doing more hours.  But hopefully by then he'll be more mature and know what he wants to do.  We just need to keep him interested and having fun, then if he wants to be competitive he can be.  That's the main reason we haven't gotten him a coach yet. The team he's on is saying he needs a coach, but I'm afraid it's to soon and to serious at this time.  Maybe next year, when he's about to turn 17, if he's still serious, then a coach might be the next step.  I think we should be patient, give the kids time and the chance to go at their own pace, and provide opportunities as they grow up - in age and skill!  I do know I've seen several very good, nationally competitive youth atheletes just drop out.  If they quit before they really get a chance, we all miss out.

 

Ken

Jan 17, 2008 2:20 PM Guest Radek  says:

Great question! I finished my first ever triathlon 15years ago... I finished my first ever Ironman this year (9:12h). I am 30. I was swimming national record holder when 10years old... we had to have trained 3-5hours/ day (in special school system) as young kids, we had to have swim over 600miles/year.... Is it too much? too early? My best swim team friend lived about 120miles far a way, when I turned 13 I asked my parent for permition go for such a long bike ride on my own and visit him during summer time... My parents decided I can do it but in 2 days (which ment to stop in our other friends home at half point and continue next day - wasnt happy, but it was good call). It was not a deal just finish the distance for me... but it was a deal for my parents! I finished my 1st triathlon when turned 15... My opinion you can start working hard as swimmer, gymnast when younger age, but not in Endurance Sports such as Triathlon, Marathon, Cross Country Skiiing.. You have to be just playing and enjoying the racing in such an true endurace challenges. Check what is the average age of Hawaii MEN's and WOMEN field today! They did not allow us to race in olympic distance triathlons in Czech Triathlon Series untill 18years old... we were allowed to race only in sprints! Your body is not ready for 2+ hours raceing when 14,15,16years old... what would you do in next 15years?

Stay patient and you see the results in the future for sure in "our" sport  - triathlon.

Jan 17, 2008 5:00 PM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Radek:

Jay, Ken, Radek ~

 

All good comment, thanks.

 

Gale

Jan 17, 2008 6:16 PM Guest annyon  says:

a general rule for running is only racing for and training for a distance as far as you are old. so wait until youre 13 to do a half marathon until youre at 18, move onto the marathon and after you have fully stopped growing to do an ultra/ironman.

if a 12 yr old trains for a marathon, with the high mileage in the training/race kids can get stress fractures in their feet and mess up their running for ever.

Jan 17, 2008 6:31 PM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Jay Silvio:

Jay ~

 

I will admit I've received a handful of messages about this girl off-line, none have been supportive. I guess we will have to watch and see what happens to her in 5, then 10 years.

 

What influence do you suppose people knocking at her door offering scholarships, money, fame in Runner's World has on her and her family? I think it's a tough situation.

Jan 18, 2008 11:09 AM Guest coachBoris  says:

Hello Gale,

 

I am glad to see a good dialog on youth in the sport of triathlon.  I am a USAT certified coach focused on coaching our youth.  I truly believe training for our youth has to be age appropriate and closely monitored to prevent injuries.  When I talk about injuries that's physically and psychologically.  I find that parents sometimes push the kids too hard, this can occur from too much training too soon with no recovery or from giving them a watered down adult workout.  This is especially true if the parent is an endurance athlete.  The other part of this is kids comparing themselves to their peers, kid mature at different rates and should focus on their self improvement and not how there stack up with their peers.

 

Great dialog.  Let's keep kids safe and enjoying the sport.

 

Regards, Coach Boris

Jan 18, 2008 2:45 PM Guest Rachel  says in response to coachBoris:

This is really interesting to read!!  I am currently 17 years old, have completed 3 marathons ( will be 4 before I'm 18) and am also training for an Ironman AZ. I have been the same height since I was 12, and was verified a few years ago, that I am done growing. My parents encourage me to be the best I can be at running and triathlon. I take many precautions, and have yet to be injured.

Jan 18, 2008 4:48 PM cacavolante2 cacavolante2    says:

While beginning a routine of indivudual athleticism young can benefit one for the rest of their life, competing at a young age is not exactly the smart route to go.  When children are that young, even sometimes through high school, they are still growing physically and mentally.  Doing a super-distance event puts huge amounts of strain on muscles and tissues which can lead to very long lasting injuries; I know this firsthand. Children are also developing mentally and, in my opinion, need to be able to explore their options in sports and other activities.  Most distance, endurance sports require huge, HUGE amounts of time that sometimes leaves very little for anything else one may want to do.

Jan 21, 2008 6:55 AM Guest Max  says:

A wee bit disturbing to have an "expert" openly muse about an 11 year old child running 50 miles (a double marathon) or an IM Triathlon. Disturbing and sad. I'd substitute "endurance junkie" for endurance "OCD".

 

Maturation growth plates and competition aside, perhaps the question is "Why would a child WANT to do this?" Or, heaven forbid, a parent support and encourage such activity. This would take the discussion away from healthy physical activity into the realm of unhealthy mental issues as well as irresponsible and incompetent parenting.

 

Perhaps it is best that some adults don't become parents.

Jan 21, 2008 8:10 AM Guest Kelly  says:

I think one only need look at some of our more structured sports for kids (soccer, for instance) in that different age groups play on different sized fields for different lengths of time, all moving upwards as they get older.

 

I'm in agreement with the fact that under 16 should be restricted to Olympic distances (or less...I really like the Tri-Kids series lengths and staggerings) and to 10k's. Anything more than that is too much pounding on a growing skeletal system.

 

As there are age restrictions on driving, smoking, drinking etc, there should also be on endurance sports especially considering we are just now starting to see the effects on the body of doing 20+ IM's (read Scott Tinley's "I can't run" column in this month's Triathlete) where as we already know the effects of the aforementioned.

Jan 21, 2008 9:03 AM Guest Yeldarbmc  says:

As an active parrent as well as Ironman and marathoner, I think 10k's are about as far as a pre-teen (under 14) should take it.  Half marathons/marathons are ok once a teenager (15-18) has been running for a period of time (3-4 months) consistantly, however, there are always exceptions.

 

I don't want either of my two children getting into endurance events until they hit that magical post growth, post hormonal stage of their life.  The human body is a great machine IF it is broken in properly.  We must allow our children to make their own physical activity choices, but we do owe it to them to let them be kids first and then only after they show the ability, to become athletes when they are physically and emotionally ready.

Jan 21, 2008 9:43 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Max:

I used the 11-year-old because it's coming. Timely to this discussion, just over the weekend I read a column about a 13-year-old having the goal to be the youngest person to complete an Ironman race. Because Ironman, the trademarked Ironman, company would now allow it, the child and his family sought out someone that would allow it. It can be argued where goals like that have their seeds, but soon there will be a seed for a 12-year-old, then 11, then?

Jan 21, 2008 9:46 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Kelly:

I think it is an important point that some of the profound effects of endurance on the body are not realized until later in life. Good comments.

Jan 21, 2008 9:50 AM Jesse@Active Jesse@Active    says in response to Max:

Disturbing how, Max? By creating a dialogue and engaging both parents and young athletes to share opinions and their own experiences? Instead of generalizing endurance athletes, perhaps it's appropriate to look at the mess made by "well-meaning" parents of youth team sports. AAU basketball, travel soccer teams, tennis academies, personal coaches for gymnastics and ice skating, year-round swimmers or baseball players...not to mention the image of "Friday Night Lights" football parents -- they all contribute to a trend of youth-sports specialization and, ultimately, burning out.

 

As for why a child would WANT to do a long-distance race? Because the words "youngest champion ever" mean a lot of money and fame. And to hear that, you have to start somewhere, and you have to go long at some point. And just like in the list I mention above, there are going to be parents who encourage it. The goal is to make them see past the endorsement dollars and look at the developemental ramifications.

Jan 21, 2008 11:26 AM Guest Guest  says:

"It's coming" 11 - year old IM triathletes and double marathoners, seeing as a 13 year old wants to do so? Ah, no. But if irresponsible parents, seeking to live vicariously through thier children, or a misguided grab for "money and fame" attempt to go that route, then we hope responsible officials and child advocates will prevent that.

 

What next.... by that logical extension, then we should be here next year pondering 9 year old marathoners; 7 year old half-marathoners, 5 year old 10k races. Why, a toddler might just do a 5k race with a safe injection of a cycle of steroids!

 

Jesse, "disturbing" is an apt word. The last thing we need is more dialogue around this. Such dialogue merely plants seeds, condones it, makes it seem acceptable. That is, unless a person thinks its acceptable. And hey, think of all that fame and fortune, right?

 

And I was "generalizing about endurance athletes" - not at all! As both an endurance athlete AND a team sports athlete, I believe I was specific enough in condemning this line of thinking and practice. Full stop. However, I disagree with your clearly generalized view of youth team sports having a negative influence; in fact, many unique benefits are to be gained by youth participants in team sports that are exclusive to individual endurance events.

 

There's just no getting around the fact that some adults have a confused parental compass. These people need more capacity-building, more skills, more enlightening. As a parent of 4 children, I have one (ironically just 11 yrs old) who has the potential to be an elite runner. He won the school board district X-C championships as a first time competitor. He was up against seasoned soccer and hockey cross-trainers, and competitive, pure runners. As proud of him as I was, I would never take him on a 15 run or a 100k bike ride. Or set up a daily training regime for him. If I did, it would be time to take a good look in the mirror.

Jan 21, 2008 11:27 AM Guest Max  says:

Oops! Sorry, I forgot in my passionate haste. I'll own the previous post.

Max

Jan 21, 2008 11:38 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Guest:

Hey Max, thanks for owning the passionate post.

 

Your comment, ""It's coming" 11 - year old IM triathletes and double marathoners, seeing as a 13 year old wants to do so? Ah, no. But if irresponsible parents, seeking to live vicariously through thier children, or a misguided grab for "money and fame" attempt to go that route, then we hope responsible officials and child advocates will prevent that."

 

That set of sentences is exactly why I started this entire dialogue. We do hope that responsible officials prevent misguided parents - but that won't happen unless someone...people, you, Jesse, others, begin to raise questions rather than applauding. Until that happens, officials are part of the problem by giving permission and fame.

Jan 22, 2008 6:10 PM Guest phil  says:

got into tri as a teen.

 

  i say, if they (your kids) have a sincere desire to achieve a certain goal, and they know what it takes to accomplish it, then they are old enough to do it. 

 

If you can talk to your kid and find out why they want to do the event, what they hope to accomplish by completing it, and they understand the amount of preparation to do it: then they are mature enough.  If the kid (or even an adult) doesn't understand how much training is required to do the event, then they aren't ready.  If the desire to do it is something like "wow that looks cool" or if it isn't any deeper than "i want to be like that guy" then they aren't mentally ready for a challenge like that. 

 

A parent should give guidance and advice that help kids develop the skills to make wise decisions on their own and develop as human beings.  Don't shelter them from

....If they aren't ready for it, they'll find out after a few months of training and scale back their plans. 

 

On the other side of the picture, if you're the parent trying to get your kid to do a race they arent interested in, back off.  Its not your job make them a fanatic, rather you should be simply introducing them to the lifestyle.  Pushing your kid to do a race is asking for trouble.  Keep getting them into activity, and show them the fun and friends that can come from the sports and soon enough, they will come to you.

 

"I can't give you a definition of porn, but I know it when i see it"  - US Supreme Court Justice

 

i can't give you a concrete age that a kid will be ready for triathlon, or a certain age when we're ready to go long, but i'll know for sure that you'll be able to tell when you see it.

 

example - If a kid wants to lift some weights when they're 14, it makes NO SENSE to hold them back until their 16 because you don't think their body is ready.  Walk them through it and give them a shot.

 

my 2 cents.

Jan 23, 2008 8:04 AM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to phil:

Good post Phil, thanks.

 

For kids lucky enough to have caring and nuturing parents with good judgement, I think your suggestion is fine - to let parents decide when a kid is ready.

 

I wonder what role organizations of influence should have to protect the kids that don't have great parents? This includes race directors, insurance companies, media, etc. If parents think their particular child is ready to do an Ironman at age 12, as long as the parents think it's okay should race directors accept anyone at any age?

 

We do know that kids can suffer physical and emotional harm from overtraining. What responsibility should supporting, enabling organizations have - if any?

 

For example, we know that alcohol can damage the development of kids. There are age limits set on when kids can purchase and consume alcohol at public establishments. What parents do behind closed doors in a controlled environment is not an issue unless it's excessive. (If kids sample a taste of wine at Thanksgiving, few people would make a fuss. If kids below the age of 18 are allowed to drink excessively, then it's a problem.)

 

Should supporting organizations - governing sports organizations, race directors, insurance companies, media, etc. - put any limits on age participation for long distance events? (Ironman, marathons, 50-mile runs, etc.)

 

A few sips of endurance sports at a young age by limiting distance, or endorse no age limits for races?

Jan 30, 2008 7:02 PM Guest Abeach  says:

I played softball and tennis extensively between the ages of 6 and 18.  When I was about 10 my parents pushed me to become a pitcher.  This required several lessons a week in addition to team practices and games.  I am now 28, currently training towards a Half-iron man goal, and suffering from knee and shoulder pains, creeks, and malfunctions.  Even though I had no issues until my 20's, I am sure that these ailments are a direct effect of being pushed too far too young.  It's difficult to say when is old enough or where to draw the distance line.  It is really up to the adults in the situation to become educated and aware of the consequences.

Jan 31, 2008 8:43 AM Guest Jane  says:

I began running at the fairly early age of 6, instead of PE class at school. I ran my first 5k at age 8, my first 10k at age 13, and my longest run to date, a 9 mile race also at age 13. As a kid, I was always the one pushing to go farther, with both my parents (also runners) helping me train properly so I didn't burn out from increasing mileage too quickly. Unfortunately, I kind of burned out the next year as I tried to train again for the same 9 mile race and ended up not exercising for about a month, and running 2 instead of 4 miles a day for a while afterwards. I think it was because I ran year-round, except during the summer which was swimming. My parents encouraged me to keep training, thinking I was just losing motivation, but let me stop when I lost interest. However, despite burning out for a short while, at 16 I went to college and started rowing Division I. Now, at age 18, I am still rowing during the school year and cycling during summers, and have every intention of becoming a true triathlete and doing a half-Ironman in the next 1-2 years and a full Ironman whenever I feel ready. I have never had a serious sports-related injury and I'd say I'm more sturdily built than anyone I know who's my age.

 

I think that in general kids should be encouraged to push themselves but only to a point. I was the kid that would dream about breaking the 4-minute mile and running a marathon in the same breath, when I was about 12. Luckily my parents convinced me that this could wait until I was a little older, and now I definitely agree with their decision, having witnessed my father running both a marathon and an ultramarathon (it was "run as far as you can in 8 hours"). Endurance training and competition is quite strenuous, as we all know, and I'd say that I'd put a cap on training time (any sport) at 2 hours a day for kids under 16 and 1 hour/day for under 10. That's just from personal experience though.

 

As for the responsibilities of race directors (especially Ironman and half-Ironman events, marathons, half marathons, and century rides), I think that participants under the age of 16 should be allowed to race on a case-by-case basis, determined by previous racing experience. If a 14 year old kid has run a 15k, let him/her run a half marathon. If they've run a half marathon and have a proper training plan for a full marathon, let them run it. Although I've never been an exceptional athlete, there are definitely kids out there who are. For example, I recall racing a 5k run and winning my age group (U-14), but only because the first place finisher in my age group won the overall women's category (though keep in mind it wasn't that big of a race).

 

Anyway, that's my rambling two cents.

Feb 16, 2008 3:51 AM alaska92071 alaska92071    says in response to Jane:

I think the debate should be ended by allowing only 18+ to race in these types of events. It allows too many parents who believe, as some of the previous posters have stated, that as long as the child is "ready" it should be allowed. Usually "ready" is determined by the same overzealous parents deciding that because the child has some athletic ability and they want to do it they should be able to. Set some limits on what your child wants to do. This is called parenting. There is no reason that a national sporting organization should, allow the parents living vicariously through their children, to further this type of behavior. Remember that there are many parents out there who come from varying situations with no significant background in physical activity themselves who have no idea of the possible ramifications of early overtraining early in life and just want to brag about their son or daughter over their morning cup of coffee at work the following day. In my opinion with my admittedly average running background I submit the following.

5K 8. 10K 12. Up to half marathon for 14-17yo. Marathons and half to full ironman distances 18+.

If parents want to deviate from this they must do it on their own volition but without the aspect of being the first, youngest, fastest of record for competitve events that so many parents are looking for. I wish I could say I have never encountered this type of thing but it unfortunately goes on in most fields of sport. I think we definitely need people who stand out from their peers as that is whats all sports are about but for the other 98% who will never "stand out" it has to, in the end, be about participating to the best of your ability in something you love regardless of your time and place.

Feb 17, 2008 3:42 PM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to alaska92071:

Thanks Alaska ~ Excellent post ~

Feb 17, 2008 3:46 PM Gale Bernhardt Gale Bernhardt    says in response to Abeach:

Abeach ~

 

Great post, thanks. I think you've hit the nail on the head with your personal experience. The damage done by overenthusiastic parents and kids, when kids are so young, is often not seen for years later.