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    <pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 00:23:48 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Feel like im hitting a wall training for my first marathon.  Is this normal</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1263395?tstart=0#1263395</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:0636d5f0-b360-439a-ba7a-7c01ae29abb5] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;What you are feeling is so perfectly normal. I am training for my 2nd Marathon in October. I just did an 18 miler yesterday. For me, its not the running that hurts, its the stopping. Cramping &amp;amp;amp; serious leg pain.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What always amazes me in training is how you feel like you are getting nowhere and then one day you can't believe how far you've come. I doubt myself too. I'm 50.&amp;#160; What keeps me going is this drive inside of me to push hard, to accomplish something, to say 50 is a number.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Someone told me, on this board, 6 yrs ago when I was training for my first marathon, when I cried after a 9 mile run in the middle of winter outdoors, that I would have more bad runs than good, BUT it's that one good run that keeps you coming back for more. It's so true, &amp;amp;amp; I,ve never forgot that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Keep at it, one foot in front of the other.&amp;#160; If you can run 16 miles, you can run 18.&amp;#160; If you can run 18, you can run 20, etc.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Best of luck to you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:0636d5f0-b360-439a-ba7a-7c01ae29abb5] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 00:23:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/1263395?tstart=0#1263395</guid>
      <dc:date>2012-09-06T00:23:48Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>8 months, 2 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Cross training - what do you do?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1255339?tstart=0#1255339</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:c139e480-92b5-4b3e-9e52-bb3acdfcf4b8] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm training for my second Marathon in October.&amp;#160; I'm following Hal Higdons Novice 1 schedule.&amp;#160; I have not been cross training.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cross training, to me, feels like I'm cheating somehow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My question is what does everyone, who crosstrains do?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don't care for biking.&amp;#160; I have an elliptical but after 30 min. of that get bored.&amp;#160; In my gym I have an elliptical, treadmill, mini trampoline, weights, bench and Inspire M2 weight/pulley system.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I walk my dog each morning and evening and have for a long time, so I don't consider that cross-training.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm 1/2 way through my training schedule and feel that I could benefit from cross training, but am uncertain what to do and how to get past the mind set that I'm cheating if I do something other than run.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:c139e480-92b5-4b3e-9e52-bb3acdfcf4b8] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:24:41 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/1255339?tstart=0#1255339</guid>
      <dc:date>2012-08-23T13:24:41Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>8 months, 4 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Wooden legs - after 25k</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1254623?tstart=0#1254623</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:1f89a6d6-eaa6-4312-aac7-8fabf74647bd] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt; JamesJohnsonLM....wow! thank you for your detailed post.&amp;#160; You write what I kinda already know.&amp;#160; I know it's the outer quad giving me trouble.&amp;#160; I have some exercises from a Sports Clinic that I should be doing daily that I "forget" to do until I am in pain.&amp;#160; On Monday afternoon I "rolled" the outer quad with a wood rolling pin.&amp;#160; I applied enough pressure that it hurt but I wasn't in agony.&amp;#160; That helped me alot and I could feel things loosen almost immediately.&amp;#160; I took the dog for a nice long walk last night and that helped alot too.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am going to print out your suggestion(s) and work with them from now until Marathon time.&amp;#160; Somehow I always think things should be so much easier than they are.&amp;#160; The trials of running!!&amp;#160; Ugh!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Today I'm not sore.&amp;#160;&amp;#160; My knee is normal and I can walk up and down stairs normally.&amp;#160; Tonight is a small run of hills.&amp;#160; We will see how it goes &lt;img height="16px" src="http://community.active.com/4.5.5/images/emoticons/happy.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks again.&amp;#160; Lots of information and so very much appreciated.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:1f89a6d6-eaa6-4312-aac7-8fabf74647bd] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:37:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/1254623?tstart=0#1254623</guid>
      <dc:date>2012-08-22T15:37:14Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>8 months, 4 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Wooden legs - after 25k</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1253937?tstart=0#1253937</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:f7e1aeb6-e08c-428b-a8b2-7c00fdf49b97] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt; I do not run 2 days before my long runs.&amp;#160; My pace is slower than my other training runs.&amp;#160; I ran yesterdays 25k at my planned Marathon pace.&amp;#160; Perhaps I should slow it down more for my next run.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your input.&amp;#160; Much appreciated.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:f7e1aeb6-e08c-428b-a8b2-7c00fdf49b97] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:04:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
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      <dc:date>2012-08-21T19:04:46Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>9 months, 13 hours ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Wooden legs - after 25k</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1253739?tstart=0#1253739</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:da8108a6-7fce-4de2-944f-2bb9e46b268c] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks Lenzlaw.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm training for a Marathon in October.&amp;#160; I am into week 10 of training and yesterdays run was a training run.&amp;#160; I'm averaging 32-35km per week plus my long runs.&amp;#160; I eat Sharkies (gummy bear things that I bought at the sports store to refuel electrolites) on my long runs and drink water.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I walked home after my run, but maybe it wasn't a long enough walk.&amp;#160; Throughout my 25km run I did 4 short walks to recover, eat 2 sharkies and have a drink of water.&amp;#160; The walking distance would be between 2 telephone poles.&amp;#160; I ran 25.50km in 3:02&amp;#160; My runkeeper averaged me a 7:08 min/km.&amp;#160; My breathing was excellent the whole run, but the body started to stiffen up 3/4 of the way through.&amp;#160; I know that the problem was where I ran.&amp;#160; I had to keep moving from pavement to gravel due to traffic and the gravel was sloped creating an imbalance in the running.&amp;#160; I won't do that route again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have 4 more long runs to complete.&amp;#160; 24k this Sunday, then a 32k then 2 more 25k before Marathon day.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm 50 and definately feeling the effects more now than I did 6 years ago when I ran my first Marathon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:da8108a6-7fce-4de2-944f-2bb9e46b268c] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:42:21 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/1253739?tstart=0#1253739</guid>
      <dc:date>2012-08-21T15:42:21Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>9 months, 16 hours ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Wooden legs - after 25k</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1253676?tstart=0#1253676</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:434da873-e05b-49cb-a43c-7066ab6b30a0] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have the strangest problem.&amp;#160; Wooden legs.&amp;#160; After my 25k yesterday they became almost rigid at the knee.&amp;#160; I've tried Epsom Salts bath, stretching, icing and today they are still rigid.&amp;#160; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I step off a stair my knees don't want to bend, they want to remain rigid.&amp;#160;&amp;#160; I'm hoping it's just soreness/stiffness and that it will pass.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Any thoughts/advice? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:434da873-e05b-49cb-a43c-7066ab6b30a0] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:24:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
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      <dc:date>2012-08-21T14:24:11Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>9 months, 17 hours ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>When the training gets tough - where do you go?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1231559?tstart=0#1231559</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:be114b90-ab3a-48e0-8325-56895c1e39f4] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;All the replies are great, but yours struck a chord with me.&amp;#160; When I workout, no matter what it is, I hurt! I always have.&amp;#160; I've read alot of stuff over the years &amp;amp;amp; came to the conclusion that I am just one of those people who hurts ALL the time.&amp;#160; Thank you for reminding me of that.&amp;#160; I will look into some of your "managing pain" suggestions to help me get by.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You are so right in that aging truly sucks!!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:be114b90-ab3a-48e0-8325-56895c1e39f4] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:07:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/1231559?tstart=0#1231559</guid>
      <dc:date>2012-08-01T23:07:45Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>9 months, 2 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>When the training gets tough - where do you go?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1230797?tstart=0#1230797</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:592b96a5-afe4-4783-81f4-8a15e85081e6] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi fellow runners,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm 50 and training for my 2nd Marathon.&amp;#160; I ran my first at 44 in 5:17.&amp;#160; My original intent was to train to run it in 5:00, however I was overtraining and causing more harm than good to my body.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I've since switched training programs so I'm not putting so much stress on my body.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, my question is this.&amp;#160; Where do you go in your mind, in your training, nutritionally when you hurt so freak'n bad, when you are tired and when you question why you do this?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm about 1/2 way through my training program and am finding this week so difficult.&amp;#160; The heat &amp;amp; humidity we've had in this part of Ontario Canada has been unbearable and has sucked the life out of me.&amp;#160; This morning when I was out for my run I was wondering why I can't be like "normal" people.&amp;#160; The answer, of course, is that I have this drive inside of my to achieve something, but man oh man do I hurt!!&amp;#160; Quitting is not an option, but being discouraged is part of the process.&amp;#160; How do you heal/deal with that?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Molly229&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:592b96a5-afe4-4783-81f4-8a15e85081e6] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:23:21 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/1230797?tstart=0#1230797</guid>
      <dc:date>2012-08-01T12:23:21Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>9 months, 2 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>does anyone else ever just give up?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1230794?tstart=0#1230794</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:84f677d7-ab4b-4242-96ab-339d591d80f7] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt; It was so interesting reading all the responses to you.&amp;#160; Give up?&amp;#160; Hell no!&amp;#160; &lt;img height="16px" src="http://community.active.com/4.5.5/images/emoticons/happy.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&amp;#160; Evidently, based on your update, you didn't give up and are making great progress.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm 50 and&amp;#160; training for my 2nd Marathon.&amp;#160; 8 weeks into training and I'm seriously discouraged.&amp;#160; I ask myself why I can't be like "normal" people, when out pounding the miles back.&amp;#160; The answer is because runners have this drive inside that pushes us to achieve something from ourselves.&amp;#160; There is great satisfaction in working through pain, disappointment, bad runs, good runs, races and all that is inbetween.&amp;#160; There is a drive to challenge ourselves and to see how far we can go.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Congratulations on not giving up!&amp;#160; &lt;img height="16px" src="http://community.active.com/4.5.5/images/emoticons/happy.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:84f677d7-ab4b-4242-96ab-339d591d80f7] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:17:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/1230794?tstart=0#1230794</guid>
      <dc:date>2012-08-01T12:17:54Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>9 months, 2 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Marathon Training</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/1230787?tstart=0#1230787</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:2b3b2408-2c41-4d57-9331-aed7b7589fae] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt; Congratulations on training for a Marathon.&amp;#160; I completed my first Marathon at age 44 without a clue as to how to train.&amp;#160; I used the cool running beginner plan and peaked at about 23k because I just wanted to run the Marathon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm now 50 and training for a second Marathon in October.&amp;#160; The first 7 weeks I was training too hard which created knee and foot problems for me.&amp;#160; I have switched to Hal Higdons Novice 1 and the training is going much better.&amp;#160; You have to listen to your body.&amp;#160; I train alone because if I train with anyone else it pushes me too far too fast.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Today I feel discouraged as I too hurt all over.&amp;#160; The will to achieve something is much stronger than the pain we face.&amp;#160; Think about your goals and what you want to achieve.&amp;#160; Less truly is more!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Good luck to you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:2b3b2408-2c41-4d57-9331-aed7b7589fae] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:58:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/1230787?tstart=0#1230787</guid>
      <dc:date>2012-08-01T11:58:36Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>9 months, 2 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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