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    <pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:26:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Continuous or walk breaks?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/414931?tstart=0#414931</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:0a0e71a3-5d91-45ec-a078-62bc56a05fbb] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by bullheads:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;But ole Bromike shouldn't make generalizations that&lt;br/&gt; people who take walk breaks do it for a crutch.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What do you mean? It's clearly a crutch: it's easier for you to run a marathon by walking some parts than running the entire marathon, unless you walk faster than you run. Walk breaks help those who are not prepared to run the distance (please, no references to someone taking walk breaks in the middle of 135 miles in Death Valley) and you may think whatever you want of that, but they certainly are a crutch. If they weren't a crutch or an aid of some sort, they would either make no difference or make things harder, neither of which they are claimed to do by their proponents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the original poster is able to run the entire distance, it makes no sense to arbitrarily walk parts of the race. You might be fresher or more comfortable with walk breaks but you will not run your fastest time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jul-06-2006).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jul-06-2006).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:0a0e71a3-5d91-45ec-a078-62bc56a05fbb] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:38:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/414931?tstart=0#414931</guid>
      <dc:date>2006-07-07T06:38:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: I have no idea why certain runners get violently upset about this type of training.</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/414395?tstart=0#414395</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:70764ccc-e875-4a82-a7f3-f05180766a69] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by RunnerWbaby:&lt;br/&gt; &lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree!!&lt;br/&gt; His father, Elloitt, ran a sub 3 hour marathon&lt;br/&gt;with walk breaks at 50 years old!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How about that for proof?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I know a guy who ran under 3 hours at 50 without walk breaks, and I know &lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;of&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a guy who ran 2:16 or so without walk breaks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jun-10-2006).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jun-10-2006).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:70764ccc-e875-4a82-a7f3-f05180766a69] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:41:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/414395?tstart=0#414395</guid>
      <dc:date>2006-06-10T20:41:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Galloway Experiences</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/413506?tstart=0#413506</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:1d77928f-3079-41b2-beb5-06331f6cff55] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;In other words, if you can run faster than 1:31 for a half, you don't need the breaks.&amp;#160; What the hell has all this crap been about elite runners benefiting and the possibility of qualifying for Boston through walk breaks?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;JUST ABOVE THAT CHART, he makes the claim that "even sub-three hour marathoners continue to take their walk breaks to the end." So, you don't need walk breaks at faster than 7:00 pace, but people running 6:00 pace use it just to make others feel better.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Aug-10-2005).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Aug-10-2005).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:1d77928f-3079-41b2-beb5-06331f6cff55] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:05:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/413506?tstart=0#413506</guid>
      <dc:date>2005-08-10T16:05:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: For the Galloway critics</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/413440?tstart=0#413440</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:94972d8f-fd0e-4f1d-ae3e-8c9e0fbf9ffa] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by kzod:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;Aurang,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You are an illeterate fool, and aren't capable of basic understanding.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You misspelled illiterate. Classy, just classy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don't recall insulting you, so why the gratuitous personal insults, which seem to be a habit of yours.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;My posts agree 100% with pfitzinger. As I've tried to make clear in EVERY post, even pace running is best.&lt;br/&gt;And while I don't take walk breaks in 5k's &amp;amp; 10ks, my splits have been remarkably close and yes I do finish them all strong. When I am ready to do the same in a marathon, I'll do that also. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You might agree with Pete, but Pete might not agree with you. Even-paced &lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;running&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt; is the best strategy. Instead of using walk breaks as a crutch, learn to pace. That many people start races too fast isn't an argument in support of walking breaks, it's an argument in favour of proper training.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Gallowalkers who beat you are theoretically either working harder or are in better shape.[/B]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;They are, much like anyone who enjoys a quick smoke after the gun goes off prior to joining the race.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore. Previously, walking breaks were a good idea for those with a poor sense of pacing, and you enjoyed running five half marathons due to the incorporation of walking breaks. Now it seems that you sabotaged your effort since someone else who ran the same time as you was "theroretically...working harder". Furthermore, it is much easier to qualify for Boston (not that it's an exceedingly impressive athletic accomplishment to begin with) by running it in its entirety despite having had the hubris to shun the benefits of walk breaks.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Aug-04-2005).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Aug-04-2005).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:94972d8f-fd0e-4f1d-ae3e-8c9e0fbf9ffa] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:20:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
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      <dc:date>2005-08-04T20:20:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Toronto Scotiabank Waterfront Marathon Sept 30 2007 anyone?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/402573?tstart=0#402573</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:62c2f61d-0f22-4764-bf76-c14b0b4b5e2b] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bronx, I'm not from North York, but I can grab it for you depending on your situation. I'll send an email to the Hotmail address on your blog.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jhallum, there's a billion, but I'm going to recommend &lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.vagabondo.ca/vagabondo3/home.html" target="_blank"&gt;Vagabondo[/URL" target="_blank"&amp;gt;. Or, you can check out&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.dine.to" target="_blank"&gt;www.dine.to[/URL" target="_blank"&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Sep-18-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Sep-18-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:62c2f61d-0f22-4764-bf76-c14b0b4b5e2b] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:58:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
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      <dc:date>2007-09-19T04:58:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Ontario Runners Forum 2007</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/364681?tstart=0#364681</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:bfb016c7-f35f-4d3d-9a26-e1a16c13d47e] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'll be keeping track, Dawn. Don't walk during the marathon. It's swim-bike-run, not swim-bike-walk. You'll do great, good luck.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hung out with Ed today at work. That was fun.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jul-14-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jul-14-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:bfb016c7-f35f-4d3d-9a26-e1a16c13d47e] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:14:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/364681?tstart=0#364681</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-07-15T06:14:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Ontario Runners Forum 2007</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/364615?tstart=0#364615</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:e857af97-a810-4e8d-9fcf-d03846cc9b00] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Good thinking, Jim. To think that I've lived in Mississauga on and off for 15 years and didn't think of that. Good race, too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I ran 3:10. I was trying to get under 3 hours and did go through the half in 1:31 and hit 30k in 2:09 feeling good, but the rolling hills at the end got me. I completely forgot about them, which is dumb since I've run that stretch of Lakeshore two times before. The last 12k took an hour, the last 7k about 38 minutes, which was pretty humiliating.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited May-13-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited May-13-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:e857af97-a810-4e8d-9fcf-d03846cc9b00] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 21:14:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/364615?tstart=0#364615</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-05-13T21:14:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Ontario Runners Forum 2007</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/364611?tstart=0#364611</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:709519a0-699b-4cc2-9af1-df04b90a6793] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hey Jim, thanks a lot, but I do have a ride. I really appreciate the offer. See you at the line. All the best.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Eddie, I saw you today, but you were busy. I can only spend so much time in an expo. Hope you didn't have too long of a day.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited May-11-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited May-11-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:709519a0-699b-4cc2-9af1-df04b90a6793] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 05:10:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/364611?tstart=0#364611</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-05-12T05:10:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Ontario Runners Forum 2007</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/364386?tstart=0#364386</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:1b8600fb-83e2-4a62-8e90-75f1a62f81fe] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;That wasn't as bad as whatever Fayid (Fayed?) used to torture Jack, which I didn't watch, I just listened to it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don't know what's so bad about your son watching it. It's a tough world out there, kids should be prepared for this sort of thing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How's everyone's running going? I'm running more than I have, around 100-110k a week, and it feels great.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jan-17-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jan-17-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:1b8600fb-83e2-4a62-8e90-75f1a62f81fe] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:06:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/364386?tstart=0#364386</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-01-18T04:06:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Ontario Runners Forum 2007</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/364342?tstart=0#364342</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:8d3cce57-ba2a-43c3-a6fd-9dbdb356c05d] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hey Jim, good run today. I think you'll win a few prizes this year. I was second, actually. It was really windy on the out portion, so I really didn't want to go out too hard. Three guys went out hard with the winner, who just wasn't going to be caught, so I picked them off one by one coming back. The awards were really nice, I picked up a long-sleeved T-shirt from Adidas.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It's a good, profitable start to the year. Happy New Year, everyone. Make this the year you get to Boston, break 20 for 5k or post 20 times a day in the Clubhouse.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jan-01-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by aurang (edited Jan-01-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:8d3cce57-ba2a-43c3-a6fd-9dbdb356c05d] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 01:48:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
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      <dc:date>2007-01-02T01:48:00Z</dc:date>
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