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    <title>Active Community: Message List - WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:40:21 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412843?tstart=0#412843</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:859d3b18-6a95-449a-b9fc-2eace8f0ea03] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by Sherpa John:&lt;br/&gt; &lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;For the record..... wasnt me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; though I will respectfully state that i neither agree or disagree with the above post. In merigayle's defense... She IS free to feel however she does about any race.... and has her freedom of speech.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt; [&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by Sherpa John (edited Dec-02-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by Sherpa John (edited Dec-02-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That's the biggest crock of the year!&amp;#160; When will you ever learn?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:859d3b18-6a95-449a-b9fc-2eace8f0ea03] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:38:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/412843?tstart=0#412843</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-12-03T14:38:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412841?tstart=0#412841</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:decd53e0-3906-4586-b51b-3b3394265411] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by mudrunner:&lt;br/&gt; &lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;(or posted under your usual username)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For the record..... wasnt me. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;though I will respectfully state that i neither agree or disagree with the above post. In merigayle's defense... She IS free to feel however she does about any race.... and has her freedom of speech. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by Sherpa John (edited Dec-02-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by Sherpa John (edited Dec-02-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:decd53e0-3906-4586-b51b-3b3394265411] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:04:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
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      <dc:date>2007-12-03T02:04:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412834?tstart=0#412834</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:d8a856cb-560b-45b2-9a31-4a71a6741162] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by rundra:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;merigalye:&lt;br/&gt;when you miss the cutoff are you also going to publically put WS down like you did with the very well run Vermont 50&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get serious! She has completed Umstead, Grand Teton among other races. We all go through our trials. God knows I have after 4 DNF's in 2007. She made it through the WS lottery and got in. Either you are jealous of her accomplishments or clearly you have an axe to grind. Do us all a favor. Take it somewhere else.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by crunningman (edited Dec-02-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by crunningman (edited Dec-02-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:d8a856cb-560b-45b2-9a31-4a71a6741162] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:53:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/412834?tstart=0#412834</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-12-02T23:53:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412833?tstart=0#412833</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:cc002cf6-f3bb-4870-b3bd-74b25260545b] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by rundra:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;merigalye:&lt;br/&gt;it seems to me that you went on about how you didnt care about getting in and how it wasnt a big deal to do WS?&lt;br/&gt;when you miss the cutoff are you also going to publically put WS down like you did with the very well run Vermont 50.....when you are doing too much, undertrained and slow?&lt;br/&gt;that was certainly not called for, when it is obvious that you are not capable of doing so many back to back races.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by rundra (edited Dec-02-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by rundra (edited Dec-02-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would not normally get involved in these types of posts, but come on - personal attacks ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by AnthonyP (edited Dec-02-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by AnthonyP (edited Dec-02-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:cc002cf6-f3bb-4870-b3bd-74b25260545b] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:44:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/412833?tstart=0#412833</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-12-02T23:44:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412832?tstart=0#412832</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:4ed4b841-09eb-4ad8-9b9b-91b327584227] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by rundra:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;merigalye:&lt;br/&gt;it seems to me that you went on about how you didnt care about getting in and how it wasnt a big deal to do WS?&lt;br/&gt;when you miss the cutoff are you also going to publically put WS down like you did with the very well run Vermont 50.....when you are doing too much, undertrained and slow?&lt;br/&gt;that was certainly not called for, when it is obvious that you are not capable of doing so many back to back races.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by rundra (edited Dec-02-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by rundra (edited Dec-02-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;WTF?&amp;#160; Is this kind of childishness necessary?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:4ed4b841-09eb-4ad8-9b9b-91b327584227] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:37:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/412832?tstart=0#412832</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-12-02T23:37:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412831?tstart=0#412831</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:c5967735-6d2c-4325-92cf-bae8c2f4ec82] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by rundra:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;merigalye:&lt;br/&gt;it seems to me that you went on about how you didnt care about getting in and how it wasnt a big deal to do WS?&lt;br/&gt;when you miss the cutoff are you also going to publically put WS down like you did with the very well run Vermont 50.....when you are doing too much, undertrained and slow?&lt;br/&gt;that was certainly not called for, when it is obvious that you are not capable of doing so many back to back races.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by rundra (edited Dec-02-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by rundra (edited Dec-02-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;ha!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i guess my list of accomplishments in ultrarunning means nothing. thanks for the comments, puppet&amp;#160; &lt;a href="http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/smile.gif"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/smile.gif"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:c5967735-6d2c-4325-92cf-bae8c2f4ec82] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:29:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/412831?tstart=0#412831</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-12-02T23:29:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412829?tstart=0#412829</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:a7062519-a092-446e-9573-bc5d12f970e0] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;merigalye:&lt;br/&gt;it seems to me that you went on about how you didnt care about getting in and how it wasnt a big deal to do WS?&lt;br/&gt;when you miss the cutoff are you also going to publically put WS down like you did with the very well run Vermont 50.....when you are doing too much, undertrained and slow?&lt;br/&gt;that was certainly not called for, when it is obvious that you are not capable of doing so many back to back races.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by rundra (edited Dec-02-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by rundra (edited Dec-02-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:a7062519-a092-446e-9573-bc5d12f970e0] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:09:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/412829?tstart=0#412829</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-12-02T23:09:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412782?tstart=0#412782</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:5e76f075-636a-4182-acd1-97ec9fbbc1ff] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p&gt;quote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p&gt;Originally posted by Trail Goat:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;p&gt;Any other WS applicants out there who would be two-time losers (TTLs) if they don't get in on Saturday? I'm one of the many who would be in that boat and have done some thinking about it as it doesn't seem possible that the TTL provision will be in place after this year. I've written up my preliminary thoughts on the subject here:&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://irunfar.blogspot.com/2007/11/western-states-entry-dilema-solution.html" target="_blank"&gt;Western State Lottery Problem and Proposed Solution[/URL" target="_blank"&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would love to know what you guys think.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[http://This message has been edited by Trail Goat (edited Nov-28-2007).|http://This message has been edited by Trail Goat (edited Nov-28-2007).]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr/&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think that WS would benefit from a rule that if a runner finishes the race in a given year, they then have to skip a year before throwing thier name in the hat again. And, sure, I too say ditch the TTL thing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by jholtthief (edited Nov-28-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by jholtthief (edited Nov-28-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:5e76f075-636a-4182-acd1-97ec9fbbc1ff] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:17:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/412782?tstart=0#412782</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-11-28T18:17:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412781?tstart=0#412781</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:bad992e0-b106-446d-b38c-914dfe0fd2f2] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Any other WS applicants out there who would be two-time losers (TTLs) if they don't get in on Saturday?&amp;#160; I'm one of the many who would be in that boat and have done some thinking about it as it doesn't seem possible that the TTL provision will be in place after this year. I've written up my preliminary thoughts on the subject here:&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://irunfar.blogspot.com/2007/11/western-states-entry-dilema-solution.html" target="_blank"&gt;Western State Lottery Problem and Proposed Solution[/URL" target="_blank"&amp;gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would love to know what you guys think.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by Trail Goat (edited Nov-28-2007).|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://This"&gt;http://This&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; message has been edited by Trail Goat (edited Nov-28-2007).]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:bad992e0-b106-446d-b38c-914dfe0fd2f2] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:43:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/412781?tstart=0#412781</guid>
      <dc:date>2007-11-28T17:43:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WS lottery - Dec 1st</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/412850?tstart=0#412850</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:fe5af232-0630-40e3-afaf-e5d1b05ed89b] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well, I guess I'm a shoe-in for '09 since the rules remain the same. Congrat's Jamie (you'll do awesome), and Merigayle. I'm thinking maybe I'll head out to WS and pull pacer duty this year, kinda scope out the scene a little bit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:fe5af232-0630-40e3-afaf-e5d1b05ed89b] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:10:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>guest</author>
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      <dc:date>2007-12-08T01:10:00Z</dc:date>
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