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    <title>Active Community: Message List - Can a hybrid bike do well in criterium?</title>
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    <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:51:14 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Can a hybrid bike do well in criterium?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/505539?tstart=0#505539</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:fab1cb0e-7244-49ca-82a5-2a719d6c5b69] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well,&amp;nbsp; to quote from an old Little Rascals flick..." WELL, WELL, WELL, you fell in the well."&amp;nbsp; You asked and have not posted a subsequent report so I presume the race came and went.&amp;nbsp; Aero bars can't race but straight bars on an FX bike are legal.&amp;nbsp; In a criterium race on a .8 mile course I've averaged, not top end, averaged 26 mph or more.&amp;nbsp; I'd say that aerodynamics does play a role at that kind of speed.&amp;nbsp; The trick is holding a strong pace through the turns and being skilled enough to do so.&amp;nbsp; Do you even have step in pedals?&amp;nbsp; The tires on FX bikes are wider and therefore heavier and therefore slower.&amp;nbsp; The advice to swap to a racing tire is good or even a race wheel too.&amp;nbsp; BUT your bike won't b equipped to keep up with the racing bikes out there.&amp;nbsp; That said, a strong rider could do it and kick butt as well.&amp;nbsp; You would be doing a Category 5 race or citizens race if they have it.&amp;nbsp; You will have to buy a one day license which is from the USCF.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; To get back to your question, the same rider on a an FX bike will, simply put, lose.&amp;nbsp; A strong rider/racer would be able to sit in. Lance will win.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My advice:&amp;nbsp; Start doing training rides with riders on road bikes and learn how to ride a paceline, sit on a wheel, learn the terminology of group riding, get step in pedals which you can put onto a new racing bike should you want to, and don't race. Save your money.&amp;nbsp; Go watch the races and talk to the racers.&amp;nbsp; Watch them in the turns, with their inside leg up, and note the difference in power from a cat 5 to a cat 1,2 race.&amp;nbsp; Cat 5's still rip.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Let us know what the deal is and if you want to start racing get good advice on how to start and what to do about the bike.&amp;nbsp; This forum works for that or click on my profile and email me.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;By the way, I love the FX bikes and would love to have one.&amp;nbsp; You can even get a $2,000.00 full Carbon FX bike.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;EJ &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:fab1cb0e-7244-49ca-82a5-2a719d6c5b69] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:51:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>MotiveForcer</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/505539?tstart=0#505539</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-09-14T05:51:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Can a hybrid bike do well in criterium?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/492150?tstart=0#492150</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:36005182-6431-4097-813b-a242d4e7354d] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A great motivational speaker once said, " anything worth doing is worth doing poorly".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Engine and Lungs and Heart are the essentials. Above poster may be right about the handlebars. Check with USCF guidelines. Also, if this is not a USCG-sanctioned event, the organizer may simply ask if anyone has a problem with your bike being out there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But go have a blast! make sure you are doing some group rides so that you gain confidence and predictability within a pack..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In my experience, (cat 5-4-3 and collegiate racing)&amp;nbsp; The upper categories may have &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;some&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; more fitness, but the big difference is they are smoother, more predictable and more "professional" in their bike handling and courtesy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:36005182-6431-4097-813b-a242d4e7354d] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:03:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>oldnfat</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-07-30T22:03:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Can a hybrid bike do well in criterium?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/492130?tstart=0#492130</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:a364d2ca-5777-4cfa-ac58-b7f02aed8299] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p&gt;Never having done a criterium, take all this with large grain of salt.&amp;nbsp; I assume you will be in the lowest category.&amp;nbsp; Race with whatever you want or have.&amp;nbsp; I don't know if there are regulations concerning handle bars since this one has straight bars.&amp;nbsp; I do know you can't race with aero bars for instance, safety issue.&amp;nbsp; Check with race director before hand.&amp;nbsp; Will they think you are outclassed, probably?&amp;nbsp; Will some of them even laugh at you, maybe?&amp;nbsp; Sounds like that might be good motivation to put them in their place.&amp;nbsp; Treat it as a learning experience and have fun.&amp;nbsp; Don't crash, that's not fun.&amp;nbsp; Strip off all unecessary weight, see if you could borrow a good set of rims, put light racing tires on, that will help.&amp;nbsp; Good luck.&amp;nbsp; Post a follow up please.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:a364d2ca-5777-4cfa-ac58-b7f02aed8299] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:24:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>omabikeryder</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-07-30T20:24:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Can a hybrid bike do well in criterium?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/490798?tstart=0#490798</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:69f7ecd4-103a-4fbd-8f3f-84cbd5cae6ff] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi, I am thinking on doing my first race.&amp;nbsp; Its a local 20mi Criterium.&amp;nbsp; I feel good and my engine and lungs are strong.&amp;nbsp; But this being my first race I dont have an all out expensive road bike yet.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I will be racing with a stock '08 Trek 7.3 FX&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/road/fx/73fx/"&gt;Link to my bike&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My question is...&amp;nbsp; If two ppl with the same physical strength and endurance race against each other,&amp;nbsp; one of them with a $2,000 carbon fiber road bike and the other with my trek, how much of a difference could there be?&amp;nbsp; Will the road bike finish 5 miles ahead of the Trek FX or could it possibly be a close race?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I know aero dynamics are a big deal in racing, but this is a 0.8 mi loop criterium with many 90 degree turns, so I dont think we will getting up to a speed fast enough where aerodynamics are a big deal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; What do you guys think?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, will people just flat out laugh at me with my hairy legs and hybrid bike when I pull up to the starting line?&amp;nbsp; I dont care if they do but all the cyclists that I have met so far are kind of snoody.&amp;nbsp; I wouldnt mind beating a few of them with several thousand dollars more in gear.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:69f7ecd4-103a-4fbd-8f3f-84cbd5cae6ff] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:51:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>wing zero</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-07-25T18:51:38Z</dc:date>
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