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    <title>Active Community: Message List - treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
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    <pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:36:07 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/501136?tstart=0#501136</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:8bd2384d-f428-4736-a50f-98f71bea3b84] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately sometimes we have to revert to treadmills, if like me you live in a hot climate there's no choice. Here in Dubai today the temp was 34o/c at 6am and is hovering around 37o/c now (11.30pm) with around 85% humidity. My run today consisted of treadmill looking out the window and praying for the cooler weather at the end of the month early October.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Personally I hate treadmills but where needs must it's the best option and it's far better than the couch..!!! &lt;img height="16px" src="http://community.active.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:8bd2384d-f428-4736-a50f-98f71bea3b84] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:36:07 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>dxbrunner</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/501136?tstart=0#501136</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-09-01T19:36:07Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 2 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/496891?tstart=0#496891</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:a5622bad-0534-42af-9c15-3e85ac2fa62d] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p&gt;I live in Palm Springs, CA....running in the dry heat, you get used to it.&amp;nbsp; 75 degrees - we need a jacket.&amp;nbsp; We have about a month of humidity here so I take advantage of it and run outside since I am not used to the heavy air.&amp;nbsp; This increases my time on the treadmill for longer distance runs and helps out alot with interval training.&amp;nbsp; The big advantage is that when I race where there is some humidity, my body doesn't flip out.&amp;nbsp; I try to run in uncomfortable weather conditions ....without injury, I believe that some pain means I am getting stronger.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:a5622bad-0534-42af-9c15-3e85ac2fa62d] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:17:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>stephanie horns</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/496891?tstart=0#496891</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-08-17T03:17:54Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/496589?tstart=0#496589</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:6bc34a4f-37a0-45a8-b7eb-77192b47adb1] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p&gt;First of all I would like to say, You are awesome! You have made done so much! Lost weight, decreased your time... WOW. &lt;img height="16px" src="http://community.active.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I started running back in August using a treadmill. It's great way to start out I think. It helped me with my pace and it was good. Sometime in March I&amp;nbsp; began running half of my runs off the treadmill. I ran on the track. Holy, the first time was hard and I remember that running 4 miles on the flat track killed me. I was sad because I was running sooo slow outside than I was on the treadmill. Back in the day, I would run a 10 minute pace on the treadmill and a 11 minute pace outside. But I kept at it. When I decided to run my half marathon, I started doing my long runs on the treadmill (8 miles) in March and my short runs on the treadmill. Weaning yourself off the treadmill is key, I think. It will take time. But I know that you can do it. When I went home for summer my brother introduced me to hill workouts! I started running all my miles off the treadmill and on the road. There were several things i noticed:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1) the wind is killer...it hurts to push against the wind. I almost died when i ran my first 8 miles off the treadmill. I was lethargic the entire day. &lt;strong&gt;laughs&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) the sun is killer...it makes you feel heavy&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;3) Keeping pace is more difficult..so the slowing down and speeding up makes the run more difficult. ALthough the pace i ran on the treadmill helped me a lot in remembering what a 10 min. pace felt like&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;4)You can push yourself...you can run faster if need be and slow down on a whim...You are more attuned to your body. This is sorta difficult to do on the treadmill... &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, I agree with the post above..it's best to try to get off the treadmill. I know how hard it is but it's possible. Running on the road is more fun! It is also more interesting. &lt;img height="16px" src="http://community.active.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:6bc34a4f-37a0-45a8-b7eb-77192b47adb1] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:09:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>exc176</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/496589?tstart=0#496589</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-08-15T18:09:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/496201?tstart=0#496201</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:40c265ca-d0e7-4fdb-bc1f-8abfe3430a48] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hope I can chime in as a newbie.&amp;nbsp; I have trouble running outdoors after running on a treadmill only I feel it is the difference in muscles used.&amp;nbsp; I had foot surgery three years ago due to an extremely flat right foot (calcaneal ostomy and tendon graft).&amp;nbsp; The surgery was a total success.&amp;nbsp; Before the surgery I thought my running days were over.&amp;nbsp; Because of my flat feet (they still are not perfect) I tend to run with no "spring" in my step and the treadmill seems to exacerbate this.&amp;nbsp; I need to use those muscles in the front of the calf?? to push off and I don't seem to get that on the treadmill.&amp;nbsp; For instance when I run on the treadmill I am fine, but when I run outside the muscles on the front of my lower leg become tight and crampy and then numb so my feet just seem to be flopping down.&amp;nbsp; Any ideas on exercises for these muscles would greatly be appreciated.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:40c265ca-d0e7-4fdb-bc1f-8abfe3430a48] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:50:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>robbie777</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-08-14T03:50:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/494572?tstart=0#494572</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:2b545f81-0f23-4f63-a770-4e77d72f2674] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fartacus' comments hit exactly on how I feel - STAY POSITIVE and give yourself a pat on the back for all that you accomplish.&amp;nbsp; Don't knock yourself if you slip now and then.&amp;nbsp; And If you don't enjoy what you are doing, what is the reason for doing it?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Fartacus - you obviously have a sense of humor (your name alone gives ME a chuckle!&amp;nbsp; LOVE IT!).&amp;nbsp; I will never be a world-class runner or come in #1 in any race, but my personal accomplishments in the past year (my first year as a runner) have kept me going.&amp;nbsp; Sure, I have a bad run now and then, but I look back at where I was a year ago when I couldn't even run to the end of the street, and I tell myself, "Hey, look how far you've come!"&amp;nbsp; That's the only time I look back, by the way....&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:2b545f81-0f23-4f63-a770-4e77d72f2674] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:33:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>Lovin2TRI</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/494572?tstart=0#494572</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-08-08T12:33:18Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 3 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/494546?tstart=0#494546</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:6dc63475-a837-41af-8fb8-9b83aac90553] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I know that others have already stated the differences between running on a treadmill vs. outdoors so, I will just remind you of your own words.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"I started running about a year ago on the high school track and&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;initially I could not even run the 100 yard straight stretch but I kept&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;at it week after week until I had built up to a coupla miles."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That alone is a great accomplishment. Before you hangup those shoes of yours, think about how far you've come. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I wish you the best in your run in Sept. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:6dc63475-a837-41af-8fb8-9b83aac90553] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:32:30 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>Fartacus</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/494546?tstart=0#494546</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-08-08T06:32:30Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 3 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/494539?tstart=0#494539</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:9a9b5b8d-b8bc-4f87-b45c-b07391291782] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;i would def.&amp;nbsp; not run on a treadmil whenever you can b/c it does half on the workout for you... besides running outside is way more fun... especially when you have friends with you... with a treadmil the ground moves for you... outside youre the one who has to move... plus you get used to diferent weather situations... which is good for races&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v134/251/77/768540627/n768540627_311666_1589.jpg"&gt;&lt;img src="http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v134/251/77/768540627/n768540627_311666_1589.jpg"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=311672&amp;amp;id=768540627&amp;amp;op=5&amp;amp;view=all&amp;amp;subj=522945260"&gt;http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=311672&amp;amp;id=768540627&amp;amp;op=5&amp;amp;view=all&amp;amp;subj=522945260&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;my friend (478) and i (386), despite being from different schools train together and push eachother to run faster... its great other wise i wouldn't run as much and it wouldn't be as fun...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:9a9b5b8d-b8bc-4f87-b45c-b07391291782] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:12:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>spenney</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-08-08T03:12:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/493007?tstart=0#493007</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:9fac08c3-9bd3-4e99-a4de-ba242a0b53d3] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;span class="jive-quote-header"&gt;Norbertt wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;pre title="Norbertt wrote:"&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;p&gt;So I get that the treadmill is worse then running outdoor , but what ahout running on an indoor track ?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not worse, just different.&amp;nbsp; Allowances must be made.&amp;nbsp; Some elite runners preparing for a spring marathon in poor weather conditions, have done 90% of their training on a treadmill.&amp;nbsp; An indoor track would be like an outdoor track without the wind and weather.&amp;nbsp; Road surfaces aren't quite as smooth so it is still helpful to get out there sometimes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Len&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:9fac08c3-9bd3-4e99-a4de-ba242a0b53d3] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:03:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>lenzlaw</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-08-03T05:03:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/492934?tstart=0#492934</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:5d6bebb7-1875-459b-8327-1e6bc2522a1a] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p&gt;So I get that the treadmill is worse then running outdoor , but what ahout running on an indoor track ?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:5d6bebb7-1875-459b-8327-1e6bc2522a1a] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:31:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>Norbertt</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-08-02T19:31:29Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 3 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: treadmill vs outdoor running?</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/492854?tstart=0#492854</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:b6a1dc08-1bdc-40e5-a17b-892cb08bb52b] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;"Is there a difference in performance on a treadmill and outdoor running?" &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Are you kidding?&amp;nbsp; You know the answer to this question.&amp;nbsp; You are living proof!&amp;nbsp; I know you are down on yourself right now about the difference you've felt physically, but let's look at what you've accomplished:&amp;nbsp; You went from not being able to run 100yds to being able to run 6 miles at a stint.&amp;nbsp; Huge accomplishment #1.&amp;nbsp; Again, you went from not being able to run 100yds to doing 4x5 mile runs a week.&amp;nbsp; Another huge step.&amp;nbsp; You reduced your running pace from 15 min/mile to 11min/mile.&amp;nbsp; If I could cut my per mile time by 4 minutes, I'd celebrate like it was 1999!&amp;nbsp; And, you lost 70lbs all while doing this!&amp;nbsp; That has to feel wonderful!&amp;nbsp; Let's think about the health benefits of that...less pressure and strain on your heart and the the organs your vessels supply.&amp;nbsp; You probably reduced your cholesterol numbers.&amp;nbsp; Have you had blood work done lately?&amp;nbsp; Do it and compare with former bloodwork before you began running.&amp;nbsp; You've probably increased your natural life span by a number of years.&amp;nbsp; All that said, I do hear your frustration.&amp;nbsp; I agree with your husband.&amp;nbsp; I think it's the air your breathing.&amp;nbsp; Have you tried to baby-step some training to ween you to running outside again?&amp;nbsp; I've found that when winter turns to spring, and spring turns to summer, I need about 2 wks to adjust (while running outside during those two weeks) to the new weather.&amp;nbsp; I just ran for a week in Bermuda (I live in CT) and took a couple days to adjust when starting to run back in CT.&amp;nbsp; Give yourself time.&amp;nbsp; Also, I've used an inhaler in the past for exercise induced asthma.&amp;nbsp; May-be ask your M.D. about that option.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Boy, you are stubborn.&amp;nbsp; I just read the last line of your email.&amp;nbsp; Re-read it again picturing someone else saying it, and see if you don't find a little stubbornness in it.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Run outside for about 2 wks to a month and be aware of how your breathing feels during every step.&amp;nbsp; Log it so you can look back on it.&amp;nbsp; Don't throw away your shoes.&amp;nbsp; You just need some outside time.&amp;nbsp; GET OFF THAT TREADMILL except for the coldest winter months.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:b6a1dc08-1bdc-40e5-a17b-892cb08bb52b] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:04:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>TerraRunner</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-08-02T12:04:35Z</dc:date>
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