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    <title>Active Community: Message List - My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:27:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/554689?tstart=0#554689</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:73ce3cb9-0087-42c5-8843-424c00439948] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Due to snow covered roads all winter I have been running a TM. Should I increase the speed or the incline to improve my pace. I usually run 5.8 Mph and 3% incline, anything lower and I run into the dash board.&amp;nbsp; I have some advise for long distance training, know when you TM will shut down, mine is at 100 min, that is the point when most movies are getting real good.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;JOY &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:73ce3cb9-0087-42c5-8843-424c00439948] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:27:13 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>kidfarm</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/554689?tstart=0#554689</guid>
      <dc:date>2009-02-19T15:27:13Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>9 months, 1 week ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/540413?tstart=0#540413</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:1c4bfe00-0e28-4221-8070-f9036fc27df2] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I use Alines in my shoes.&amp;nbsp; I did have an older pair of Asics that had a footbed option that worked great for the pronation but the Alines are fantastic for cycling and skiing too. I now rep them here in Michigan I like them so much.&amp;nbsp; I use them ice skating and in line too when I do that though not so often anymore.&amp;nbsp; Also I have a cycling cohort who uses them in his xc skate skiing boots.&amp;nbsp; Check out www.ALINE.com.&amp;nbsp; Not pricey either.&amp;nbsp; Thanks for your response. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;EJ &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:1c4bfe00-0e28-4221-8070-f9036fc27df2] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:08:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>MotiveForcer</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/540413?tstart=0#540413</guid>
      <dc:date>2009-01-02T08:08:48Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>10 months, 3 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/539949?tstart=0#539949</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:79ad90ff-b951-4a10-93a4-3b12253de151] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;EJ,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I found that my muzunos work wonders for me out side.( More support)It seems as if&amp;nbsp; my feet on the TM do not overpronate as much as they do outside so I use sauconys w/gel incert for the Tm. It has taken me 5 pairs of shoes to find the right ones and It was worth it.so take time for the shoes obviously we all now that our feet take a beating so take care of them,Good Luck!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:79ad90ff-b951-4a10-93a4-3b12253de151] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:55:04 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>angelsstride</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/539949?tstart=0#539949</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-12-31T14:55:04Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>10 months, 4 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/539895?tstart=0#539895</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:ffab2c45-36b0-43b9-9939-3b222d49107c] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Angel,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Interesting response. How would you describe the difference between the shoes you prefer on the surfaces?&amp;nbsp; Stiffer, less waffled, etc.?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;EJ &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:ffab2c45-36b0-43b9-9939-3b222d49107c] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:46:09 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>MotiveForcer</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/539895?tstart=0#539895</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-12-31T05:46:09Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>10 months, 4 weeks ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/539693?tstart=0#539693</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:9bd3bab2-8bfc-4773-948b-65f3c7fc2c29] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;i found that I need 2 different pairs of shoes.One for pavement running and One for TM running.Much improved! Your surface Is so&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;different when your on the Tm that your working diff.muscles your body is not used to.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:9bd3bab2-8bfc-4773-948b-65f3c7fc2c29] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:02:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>angelsstride</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/539693?tstart=0#539693</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-12-30T16:02:01Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>11 months, 11 hours ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/538906?tstart=0#538906</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:668df193-38c6-4c0c-a4cc-190cde4b4b23] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And good advice for cyclists and other athletes as well.&amp;nbsp; I know that my PT friends are on point when I'm injured and functionally oriented and problem solvers.&amp;nbsp; This is a safe and sound way to go and I'm glad Jim took the time to respond.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;EJ&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:668df193-38c6-4c0c-a4cc-190cde4b4b23] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 04:10:47 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>MotiveForcer</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/538906?tstart=0#538906</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-12-26T04:10:47Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>11 months, 4 days ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/538888?tstart=0#538888</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:92c96404-409c-4cf6-90ab-53e962e1ac25] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p&gt;Happy Holidays!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just reading about your question and the great replies people have posted.&amp;nbsp; I would advise you to visit an excellent physical therapist in order to find the true answer.&amp;nbsp; As a physical therapist, I examine and work with runners of all ages and goals.&amp;nbsp; Most have flexibiltiy, strength, and other deficits that will affect their running.&amp;nbsp; Learning how to address these deficits through specific exercises and hands on "manual" physical therapy can be truly beneficial.&amp;nbsp; An excellent physical therapist can determine what is needed through a thorough examination which will take just 45 minutes of your time.&amp;nbsp; Why keep guessing what the cause may be when you can have a skilled professional determine what you need.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Good luck,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jim, Physical Therapist Morristown NJ&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:92c96404-409c-4cf6-90ab-53e962e1ac25] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 02:16:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>PhysicalTherapistJim</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/538888?tstart=0#538888</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-12-26T02:16:34Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>11 months, 5 days ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/538686?tstart=0#538686</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:e33e020e-330a-4ce2-82f3-9865acd4e4c1] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If it doesn't hurt when running on an incline but does when it is flat....&amp;nbsp; my suggestion is to run on an incline.&amp;nbsp; This is pretty standard advice. That is, always run on a slight incline when on a treadmill.&amp;nbsp; It is unnatural to run with a moving surface.&amp;nbsp; The treadmill runs you so inclination minimizes that tendency. Keep it simple.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;EJ &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:e33e020e-330a-4ce2-82f3-9865acd4e4c1] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:10:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>MotiveForcer</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/538686?tstart=0#538686</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-12-24T05:10:38Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>11 months, 6 days ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/538540?tstart=0#538540</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:ccfe561a-06cf-4ac3-9193-d690f95bcec1] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;OMG!!!!&amp;nbsp; My knees do the exact same thing!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; I was fitted for running shoes and it helped some.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; I still have more issues on the TM than outside. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Good Luck!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:ccfe561a-06cf-4ac3-9193-d690f95bcec1] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:43:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>flygirl458</author>
      <guid>http://community.active.com/message/538540?tstart=0#538540</guid>
      <dc:date>2008-12-23T15:43:20Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>11 months, 1 week ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: My knees don't like the treadmill.  Need advice, please!</title>
      <link>http://community.active.com/message/538361?tstart=0#538361</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:e04066cb-41ec-4749-86a8-b84313e67afa] --&gt;&lt;div class='jive-rendered-content'&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;span class="jive-quote-header"&gt;cyndi t wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;pre title="cyndi t wrote:"&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;p&gt;I had the crowned road problem myself so can vouch for that being a real issue. I had terrible pain in my groin (right where the top of the thigh meets the torso) and could barely walk without limping. I refused to give in and stop running so I really tried to pay attention to what I was doing and read these posts like crazy searching for tips. After a few weeks, I bought new running shoes, got extra arch support (cost a fortune but VERY worth it) and started running directly down the middle of the street (I run in the neighborhood in the very early am with almost no traffic so I can do that fairly safely with lots of reflective wear) and after about a week of doing this my pain was gone.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; Even though I try to run on a flat surface it isn't always possible.&amp;nbsp; So I try to even out the discomfort when I have to run on a&amp;nbsp; crowned road (berm) by running out and back on the same side of the road.&amp;nbsp; That way I have one leg short on the way out then the other leg short on the way back home.&amp;nbsp; Of course that means I have to run with my back to traffic in one direction : {&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:e04066cb-41ec-4749-86a8-b84313e67afa] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:32:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>Stevemustangred</author>
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      <dc:date>2008-12-22T16:32:15Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>11 months, 1 week ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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