Skip navigation
Community: Exchange advice in the forums and read running commentary Resources: Personal running log, calculators, links and other tools for runners News: Running news from around the world Training: Articles and advice about fitness, race training and injury prevention Races/Results: Find upcoming races and past results Home: The Cool Running homepage
Cool Running homepage  Search Cool Running Community

5824 Views 22 Replies Latest reply: Oct 28, 2011 9:18 PM by mpsfamily RSS Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
  • offended by everything Rookie 8 posts since
    Dec 13, 2007
    Currently Being Moderated
    15. Dec 21, 2007 1:51 PM (in response to BrettBH)
    Re: Global Warming Report? Level of validity?

     

    The Kyoto treaty was agreed upon in late 1997 and countries started signing and ratifying it in 1998. If we look at that data and compare 2004 (latest year for which data is available) to 1997 (last year before the Kyoto treaty was signed), we find the following:

     

    • Emissions worldwide increased 18.0%.

    • Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1%.

    • Emissions from non-signers increased 10.0%.

    • Emissions from the U.S. increased 6.6%.

     

    In fact, emissions from the U.S. grew slower than those of over 75% of the countries that signed Kyoto.

     

     

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/kyoto_schmyoto.html

     

     

    We may not have grown our emissions as fast but we're still the largest producer. China is catching up...

     

     

    We should have just signed it and gone through the motions like everyone else...

     

     

    hmm, George Bush - global warming hero...

     

     

     

     

     

  • Tawan Rookie 97 posts since
    Dec 14, 2007

     

    offended by everything wrote:

     

    hmm, George Bush - global warming hero...

     

     

     

     

    Indeed...

     

     

    As posted in that other forum

     

     

    This time - I'm voting for Bush!

     

     

    That's right. This guy is money. Everything he touches turns to gold - oil company, Texas Rangers, the US environment, world peace. The guy is a true winner and he is, once again, leading the poll!

     

    George W. Bush

       160 votes - 68 %

    Pete Domenici

       8 votes - 3 %

    Stephen Johnson

       18 votes - 7 %

    Julie MacDonald

       17 votes - 7 %

    Robert Murray

       8 votes - 3 %

    Harlan Watson

       9 votes - 3 %

    ABEC

       10 votes - 4 %

    UNGREEN

       3 votes - 1 %

    233 Total Votes

     

     

     

  • offended by everything Rookie 8 posts since
    Dec 13, 2007
    Currently Being Moderated
    17. Dec 21, 2007 2:09 PM (in response to Tawan)
    Re: Global Warming Report? Level of validity?

     

    That's cold - the guy lives in a house any tree hugger would be proud to call home, the US outperforms 75% of the Kyoto signers, and still he gets no enviromental love...tragic...

     

     

  • bigapplepie Legend 2,454 posts since
    Dec 14, 2007

     

    offended by everything wrote:

    The Kyoto treaty was agreed upon in late 1997 and countries started signing and ratifying it in 1998. If we look at that data and compare 2004 (latest year for which data is available) to 1997 (last year before the Kyoto treaty was signed), we find the following:

     

    • Emissions worldwide increased 18.0%.

    • Emissions from countries that signed the treaty increased 21.1%.

    • Emissions from non-signers increased 10.0%.

    • Emissions from the U.S. increased 6.6%.

     

    In fact, emissions from the U.S. grew slower than those of over 75% of the countries that signed Kyoto.

     

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/kyoto_schmyoto.html

     

     

     

    We may not have grown our emissions as fast but we're still the largest producer. China is catching up...

     

     

     

    We should have just signed it and gone through the motions like everyone else...

     

     

     

    hmm, George Bush - global warming hero...

     

     

     

     

     

    Offended, you seem to have forgotten to mention that the Kyoto Protocol did not come in to force until the year following the one for which those statistics were produced.

     

     

    I'm assuming that was an oversight on your part.

     

     

     

     

     

  • offended by everything Rookie 8 posts since
    Dec 13, 2007
    Currently Being Moderated
    19. Dec 21, 2007 2:55 PM (in response to bigapplepie)
    Re: Global Warming Report? Level of validity?

     

     

     

     

    If you researched what "in force" meant in the text of the agreement you would realize your comment is nonsensical. Signatories of the treaty certainly weren't waiting for the in force provisions to kick in before they began the task at hand. The failure of the signatories to live up to the treaty exposes it for what it really was. Further more, even if the reductions outlined in Kyoto are met (which they won't) the impact on the actual temperature of the earth over the next century would be so negligible as to make it one of the most ineffective and wasteful treaties from a cost standpoint ever conceived. It's just another example of bad government in action.  The fact that non signers out performed those who did sign must give even you cause for reflection.

     

     

  • bigapplepie Legend 2,454 posts since
    Dec 14, 2007

    What I see is a gross manipulation of statistics which does not take in to account the nature of that growth or a breakdown by country. If you consider 138 of the signatories are developing countries who were unable to stop developing overnight. The fact that there world's biggest fly-tipper is still increasing the amount of crap in puts in our shared atmosphere is a teriible indictment of the US who's President has admitted to the impact of his country's actions on climate change.

     

     

     

     

    It took 200 years to turn the environment in to an ashtray and its not going to stop overnight.

     

     

     

     

    Compared to 1990:

     

     

     

    US greenhouse gas emissions were up 16%.

     

     

    EU emissions were down 5% (EU targets are more ambitious than their obligations under the Kyoto protocol).

     

     

    China was up 47% and India up 55%.

     

     

     

    The 36 developed countries who have targets under the agreement are on target to reduce their emission by 5% by 2012. That's 15% less than the 1990 forecast if nothing had been done.

  • jmswlsn77 Rookie 3 posts since
    Nov 14, 2010
    Currently Being Moderated
    21. Nov 18, 2010 8:33 PM (in response to BrettBH)
    Re: Global Warming Report? Level of validity?

    The worlds problems are so big and complex that no government or  government policy in consultation with the other can solve them. The  only thing that gives the means and the solution of the human race to  survive beyond this century, Oregon-STEM complex and its associated  global satellite Incubator Centers. In fact, if the leading scientific  minds of the world, the concert can not do it, no politician or others  can. It is so simple. The problem is, of course, that politicians do not  listen to the independent mind and voice.

     

    Those who have followed the debate on Global Warming of manmade are very aware that every time the Intergovernmental Panel  on United Nations Climate Change issues another statement is, the media  report the bad news to each hour on the hour. But what if a scientific  study concluded that new data from the IPCC chosen in CO2 levels in the  past to make it appear that current levels are extraordinary. What the  report of the media?





    Mens Health

  • mpsfamily Amateur 11 posts since
    Oct 5, 2008
    Currently Being Moderated
    22. Oct 28, 2011 9:18 PM (in response to Tawan)
    Global Warming Report? Level of validity?

    That was a great video! And the logic is inescable.

1 2 Previous Next

More Like This

  • Retrieving data ...