Aug 19, 2011 11:35 AM
Back at it after 25 yr layoff
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Ok, so I was quite the distance runner back in my first two years of high school and thought I was pretty darn good. I would typically run 50-60 miles a week religiously...getting up before school to "put in a run" and then track or cross country practice after school. My best times were 2:08 for the 1/2 mile, 4:50 for the mile and 10:32 for the 2-mile. Then life got in the way and I gave it up. As high school faded into college and college into my working years, I became pretty stagnant. After college I would still play the occasional tennis or racquetball or basketball. Those also faded over the years. I started working out at a gym about 10 years ago, lifting weights and doing some cardio on the bike but one can only sit on their butt for so long!! Now my "active" sports have morphed into golf as my only source of exercise (if you can call it that). Then again, I tend to drink a few beers on the course so that kind of defeats any benefit I might get out of a round. So here I am, a 43-year old man who is about 20 pounds overweight and has committed to run in the Komen Race for the Cure on October 1. On the first day of August, I started the C-2-5K and am in day 2 of week 3. I have looked at week 4's regimen and am wondering if I have it in me to do it or not. The first three weeks, I didn't look at the upcoming schedule for fear of what was to come. But curiosity got the best of me the other day.
Basically what I am wondering is how you all do it?? I have read some posts and know a majority of this is will and determination, but is there any other secret that I haven't seen or thought? Am I wrong in looking back at my "glory years" and comparing that 15 year old kid to what I am today? Should I be using my past times as motivation to get back there or are those times now unrealistic at this point in my life? Should I be using my previous running as some sort of benchmark for where I am right now?
Thanks for reading my ramblings...
Mike
2011 Suncoast Komen Race for the Cure 5k 30:23 (first race in 26 yrs)
2011 St. Petersburg Times Turkey Trot 5k 27:32 (woohoo!!)
You've just about told my story. I was running marathons in high school. Running was my life. Bill Rodgers was by hero.
Fast forward 25... 30 years, and at 43, I ended up 80 pounds over weight. Yuck.
Over the last few months I have knocked 50 of those pounds off through dieting, and I am starting to get back into running again.
I've been doing 3 miles (really slow) every other day, and am really looking forward to this weekends "long" 5 miler.
Things have REALLY changed since I was at my peak.
Many training programs are advocating walking... even during races. In the early 80's, if you saw someone walking in a race, you knew they were hurting BAD.
And, gels, and energy bars during runs.
Sure, we did carb loading the night before a marathon... But I can't recall ever fueling DURING a race. Hitting the wall was a fact of life if you were a distance runner.
I guess my biggest challenge is that when I am out running now, I am running with the mind of a 15 year old, but the body of a 43 year old. It's hard to be patient.
So, congrats? Not sure congrats makes sense. How about, welcome back! Yea, that's better. Can't imagine I want to congrat you on this new journey of pain, self discovery, and well, it's a whole lot different now for me at 47 than it was between 17-19. So, based on my signature, you'll see we come from a not too dissimilar place.
Having had a reasonably successful past has been a double edge sword I think. It has been an extremely difficult lesson to realize that no matter how much time, effort, and dedication I put forth, this old body isn't going to match what it could do 30 years ago. But, by the same token, having already ridden the bicycle so to speak, I think that gives me a background on how to maximize my performance even at this age. I learned marathon pain, etc in my youth, and that's still pretty valuable today.
Everyone is different, so not sure my advice will apply to you. There's guys in my age group round here who can really kick my tail, and that's hard to accept. So, basically I've convinced myself people age differently. Or, they were just all american's for a god given reason.
How do I do it? Will, determination, yes. That can't be underestimated. But, there's alot more specifics than just that. First, I have to learn to take it easy. I'm not 18. Injuries and soreness and over training are so much more real now than they were then. If you've never heard of the 10% rule, read up on it. 10% has been too much for me. 5% has been about it. Second, time served matters more now than then. By that I mean the dedication over years is required to advance. Back in the day, seemed just ramping up training enough got results in the here and now. At 47, my results are coming over the years. Marginal improvements each season. No huge knocking a minute off my 5K time in 6 months, or at least not since the first year back on the racing circuit. Next, keep an open mind and always be willing to trying new things. I've tried so many different things I never would have thought really mattered back in the day. Back then, running was all that was necessary. Today, I'm concerned about plants, leg lengths, diet, protease enzymes, foam rollers, accelerade, on and on. I've been through all different phases. Was pool jogging last year to supplement. Now I'm into my own variation of "continuous" training.
It's been hugely rewarding, depressing, exhilirating, and frustrating. I'm in my 4th full year of it now and I don't see myself getting off the ride any time soon. Earlier this year I threw in the towel, put back on 15 pounds in 3 weeks, and swore off competive running for good. But, it slowly reeled me back in and now I'm back trying to best last year's PR and then its back to try to beat my high school times. I'll most likely never do it, but it sure is interesting to try.
Good luck.
Mike - did you go to WV? My local hero around here went to WV, one hell of a track star, and just is amazing to watch. He's 37 now. I love watching him run, even if it is from the distance as he pulls away. Poetry in motion.
Hey Mike,
Welcome back to running! I think my best advice is to forget what you did as a high schooler. You have a different body now with totally different musculature so you need to approach your training differently. The most important thing is to stay healthy and build your mileage gradually. To do that, you need a foundation of strength, general fitness, and incrementally increasing aerobic capacity.
My recommendation is to include spinning, weight lifting, dynamic stretches, pool running, and core exercises into your program so that you'll get really strong, resist injury, and make the transition back to running a lot easier.
I have a lot of articles on this category here: Injury Prevention. Let me know if you have any specific questions - happy to help.
Good luck!
- Jason.
Wipe the slate clean...no looking back...only forward! I live by the philosophy of getting better with age (like a fine wine). You are much wiser and more determined which will make you a more focused, dedicated runner. Don't give up. Achieving those new goals you set for yourself is just around the corner! It's only the beginning for you. Good luck!!!
I didn't go to WVU but am from the Wild and Wonderful. I moved to Florida after I graduated from college in WV.
2011 Suncoast Komen Race for the Cure 5k 30:23 (first race in 26 yrs)
2011 St. Petersburg Times Turkey Trot 5k 27:32 (woohoo!!)
Jason, thanks for your post. I was actually thinking about doing the C25K 3 days a week and do weights and core on a few of the other days. I wasn't sure if weight training would tax my body too much while trying to do the running routine, leaving me burnt out and ditching everything completely. I had not considered pool running or dynamic stretches so thanks for those suggestions.
And thanks to runitout, nowirun4fun, and waskydiver for also replying. Your replies have given me some more perspective and determination to get rid of this flabbiness.
Week 4 starts tonight, so wish me luck!!
2011 Suncoast Komen Race for the Cure 5k 30:23 (first race in 26 yrs)
2011 St. Petersburg Times Turkey Trot 5k 27:32 (woohoo!!)
So last night began week 4, the one that I dreaded. I must say, I did better than I thought I would (or could). It probably helped that there was a heavy drizzle, which kept me cool. I totally forgot how much fun it was to run in the rain!! I was more worried about my ipod staying dry than anything else. I doubt that tomorrow night will bless me with rain so I guess I will find out how I do in the 100° heat index of Florida.
2011 Suncoast Komen Race for the Cure 5k 30:23 (first race in 26 yrs)
2011 St. Petersburg Times Turkey Trot 5k 27:32 (woohoo!!)
This too is my story. In HS ('83) I was running 16:30s for 5K. In college ('87) I was running 63:00 for 10 miles and I weighed about 125 lbs. Then life happened and I got married and got a job and became the father of had 4 great kids.
5 years ago at about 230 lbs, I started running again with awful results, injury after injury and running slow, slow, slow. Finally, I started the Galloway program and had some success. In my 3rd year back, I ran 4 half marathons in about the 2:20 pace and no injuries. Of course, I was not happy with the time and the next year I stepped up the training to running the half marathon for time. I added speed and hills. So, naturally, I got injured again! So I took a year off of running for time and just ran....2 1/2 min running, 1 min walking. That has been successful, my wife and I trained for and completed a half marathon and a full marathon this year and we are in process for training for a 2nd half and full in a couple months. I have decided to focus my goals on not running fast anymore but for running multiple marathons in a year. I have also found that running won't cause me to lose weight. I have to manage my caloric intake (2300/day) and exercise to be successful. This is still a work in progress as I am back down to 230 and hope to be at 220 in an month or 2 and 210 by Christmas.
So the XC mindset that is so ingrained in my head is ultimately destructive to my much older self. But (whispering....for my next half on 10/15.....I'm going to run it as fast as I can, all out! .......I'm hoping for a 2:15 but will be happy for a 2:20 again. I will probably run 3 or 4 miles before the race so I'll be warmed up at the start to run at race pace the whole 13! It is going to turn into 13 miles of 2 1/2 min run/1 min walk ......speed intervals! Whooo hooo!) I'll keep you updated!
Brad
Flying Pig 10K/ 1:03
Geist 1/2 Marathon/ 2:22
Do Run Run 15K/ 1:37
Fort 4 Fitness 1/2 Marathon/ 2:20
Indianapolis 1/2 Marathon/ 2:24
Indianapolis Monumental 1/2 Marathon/ Goal: 2:19
You have some great advice above. My advice is don't be in a hurry take it slow and steady, build your base miles for a while (6-8 months) before you worry about speed. Enjoy the ride and make it a lifetime goal! Good luck
Wow Brad, thanks for letting me know I am not the only one out there who has had this happen. I am not planning on doing a half marathon anytime soon. Actually, I only ran one half marathon even when I was in high school. I usually stuck with the 5k's and think that will be the case again for the foreseeable future. If I have a bout of insanity and decide to do one, I will be sure to post about it.
2011 Suncoast Komen Race for the Cure 5k 30:23 (first race in 26 yrs)
2011 St. Petersburg Times Turkey Trot 5k 27:32 (woohoo!!)
I was thinking about this last night while running (day 1, week 7). While my first mile was 10:30, my second mile was in 10 min. flat. I thought I felt stronger heading home than heading out and this proved to be the case. I wasn't winded and probably could have gone another 1/2 mile. This is a great feeling, knowing that my first 5k in 26 years is coming up on Oct. 1. But I was pondering after the 5k, do I basically stay with the program...do I extend my runs to 5 days a week instead of the 3 now...if I do extend the days running, do I keep it at 3 miles/day...how long should I continue on my path until building it up? Your post certainly gave me a good time-frame.
Happy running!!
2011 Suncoast Komen Race for the Cure 5k 30:23 (first race in 26 yrs)
2011 St. Petersburg Times Turkey Trot 5k 27:32 (woohoo!!)
After you 5K, look at a 10K program that would be a good reference point. Another way is the 10% rule add 10% increase to your weekly mileage for two weeks and on the third week drop back to where you were before adding the increase. Never increase mileage and speed together. After you get a solid base, remember your shoes they wear out somewhere between 300-500 miles so replace them before they give you problems.
I will back up BOSNPM and reiterate again, even, that you really should sit yourself down and think about this a little more before you go getting yourself injured. You stated in your first post that you're 57, right?
You must get used to the idea that you will be getting hurt if you push. Pushing, in my mind, includes thoughts of things like going to more frequent runs or thinking at all about speed. Enjoy your running, Enjoy the fact that you are improving. Focus on just getting out to run on a regular basis and taking really good care of yourself, even when you're not running. Get in the habit of listening to your feet, legs and the rest of your body. Healing time is healthy.
Speed will do you in! Slow and steady will keep you running for the rest of your life.
Barefoot / Minimalist Runner
07/29/2012 Marsh Creek Raptor Run 10 Mile Trail Race
07/15/2012 Quadzilla 15K Trail Run, Trexlertown, PA 1:37 (2011, 1:49)
04/29/2012 Lehigh Valley / St. Luke's HM, 1:43:15 (2011, 1:54:20 )
03/19/2012 Kutztown Fool's Run 10 Miler, 1:18:15 (2011, 1:30:20)
02/26/2012 Ugly Mudder 7.2 Mile Trail Run, Reading, PA 1:20
11/27/2011 Dirty Bird 15K Trail Run, Birdsboro, PA 1:40
10/08/2011 Lehigh Gap Nature Center 10K Trail Run (6.38 miles), 59:20 (10/07/2012)
Started running (again) May 5, 2010
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