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  • NHSenior Legend 387 posts since
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    15. Jul 24, 2006 4:35 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    quote:


    Originally posted by Grizzly:

    ....What I do feel is a sadness that someone has felt that they can take the shortcut. You're not stealing from me, ....


     



    The qualification issue aside, what he and the idiots that support him and "see nothing wrong" are doing is calling you (nothing personal "Grizzly") and me A_holes for paying to run Boston or any of the other races that we run when we could just run as bandits.

  • sloaccord Rookie 1 posts since
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    16. Jul 25, 2006 4:07 AM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    they shouldn't call it 'banditing'.
    it should be called 'sonofabi.tching'.

    if you can't qualify for the British Open, you dont go.
    if you dont qualify for Wimbledon, you dont go.
    you dont see bandit golfers and tennis players. practice, train, and EARN your right to be there.

    if i can't afford to go to the movies, i dont go.
    if i can't afford to go putt-putt golfing, i dont go.
    marathons are once-a-year events.  just like planning your training, you have twelve months to save up the hundred bucks to pay, so i dont want to hear the 'i can't afford it' excuse.  how much were those shoes you're running in?

  • gennaver Rookie 29 posts since
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    17. Dec 21, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    quote:


    Originally posted by pekeuncle98:

    It's been over 23 years since I ran the Boston marathon. I couldn't qualify officially so, the three times I ran it I was one of the many runners who just started the race behind all the offficial runners. My question: are there any Bandit runners out there? Anybody jump in at the start this year? What's that scene like these days?


     



    Before I knew what a bandit was, I was one once and regret it! Yikes. That was in '92.

    My roomate at the time was from Framingham and we both lived in Chicago and apparently it was a regular occurance for her childhood and school friends, at that time.

    Now that I know better I would really like to run it officially! It was my first marathon and it was very impressive!

    Only a bandit once and I would not condone or encourage it, especially now that I know better.

    Hopefully I can run a decent marathong in 2007 to qualify for 2008. That is the only way I would ever even think of running Boston.

    One thing though, I will absolutely not wear a Chicago white sox jersey, (I did last time). Some college boy shouted his bear breath in my face, "Sox SUX!" Boy did he look mean too. Blew my mind for a good mile or so, (what the hay, hey?)
    Gen



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  • lioness1 Pro 346 posts since
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    18. Dec 21, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    quote:


    Originally posted by RunGenRun:

    Before I knew what a bandit was, I was one once and regret it! Yikes. That was in '92.

    My roomate at the time was from Framingham and we both lived in Chicago and apparently it was a regular occurance for her childhood and school friends, at that time.

    Now that I know better I would really like to run it officially! It was my first marathon and it was very impressive!

    Only a bandit once and I would not condone or encourage it, especially now that I know better.

    Hopefully I can run a decent marathong in 2007 to qualify for 2008. That is the only way I would ever even think of running Boston.

    One thing though, I will absolutely not wear a Chicago white sox jersey, (I did last time). Some college boy shouted his bear breath in my face, "Sox SUX!" Boy did he look mean too. Blew my mind for a good mile or so, (what the hay, hey?)
    Gen
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    Well ya learn and grow!

    And you learned not just one but two things: to not bandit Boston... and (a not insignificant principle) to not wear a White Sox shirt while running it. !http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/biggrin.gif|src=http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/biggrin.gif|border=0!

    But Red Sox shirts or other Bosox paraphernalia are, I've heard, quite acceptable attire--and accessorized perfectly by the official bib that you'll be wearing when you run Boston next time. Good luck w/ your quest to qualify.

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  • gennaver Rookie 29 posts since
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    19. Dec 21, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    quote:


    Originally posted by lioness1:

    Well ya learn and grow!

    And you learned not just one but two things: to not bandit Boston... and (a not insignificant principle) to not wear a White Sox shirt while running it. !http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/biggrin.gif|src=http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/biggrin.gif|border=0!

    But Red Sox shirts or other Bosox paraphernalia are, I've heard, quite acceptable attire--and accessorized perfectly by the official bib that you'll be wearing when you run Boston next time. Good luck w/ your quest to qualify.

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    Thank you Lioness,
    !http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/smile.gif|src=http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/smile.gif|border=0!
    Gen

  • krispyK Rookie 2 posts since
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    20. Dec 21, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    if you think bandits take awy fromthose that worked to qualify,what about the charity runners? typically they are out on the course way longer and a lot slower...do you look down on them because they wanted to experience Boston but did not "work" for it other than raise money?
    or what about my BF who gets a number every year as he works for one of the sponsers...he didnt qualify, does that taint your experience?
    I have a friend who travels here across country to run it every year...he starts at the back, and does not take anything from the aid stations, and does not get in the way of those of you at the front who qualified...
    what I think really bothers a lot of people is their elitist attitude towards the race, witness all the tshirts, etc at the expo that say "I qualified"
    Personally, I do not see what the big deal is....oh amnd my BF starts at the back coral with hs number and has NEVER seen them run out of anyhting and he has run it for the last 10 years...
    personally though, I would not run it unless I qualified, but I see nothing wrong if someone does. I did run it one year with a legit number....am I somehow 'less' of a runner because of this?

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  • maryt091 Pro 781 posts since
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    21. Dec 21, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    quote:


    Originally posted by krispyK:

    if you think bandits take awy fromthose that worked to qualify,what about the charity runners? typically they are out on the course way longer and a lot slower...do you look down on them because they wanted to experience Boston but did not "work" for it other than raise money?
    or what about my BF who gets a number every year as he works for one of the sponsers...he didnt qualify, does that taint your experience?
    I have a friend who travels here across country to run it every year...he starts at the back, and does not take anything from the aid stations, and does not get in the way of those of you at the front who qualified...
    what I think really bothers a lot of people is their elitist attitude towards the race, witness all the tshirts, etc at the expo that say "I qualified"
    Personally, I do not see what the big deal is....oh amnd my BF starts at the back coral with hs number and has NEVER seen them run out of anyhting and he has run it for the last 10 years...
    personally though, I would not run it unless I qualified, but I see nothing wrong if someone does. I did run it one year with a legit number....am I somehow 'less' of a runner because of this?

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    Hello... earth to krispyk..

    Do you understnd the concept of being official? A small number (about 5%) of charity numbers are alloted. These charity runners are welcomed by the race organizers as part of giving back the local communities; they are planned for and official. The race directors also reward the sponsors wthout whom the race could not be run at all by allocating to them a certain planned for amount of numbers. Your friend who travels cross country falls under neither of those categories. Does this friend also think it's fine and dandy to sneak into theaters or try to crawl under the fence to see sporting events if s/he doesn't have tickets? Unoffical, unwanted.. Didn't pay or qualify or raise money or get a comp from the sponsors = Bandit = thief. Get it?

    Also your boyfriend at the back of the pack apparently missed 2 years ago in the extreme heat. Aid stations DID run out of Gatorade and you bet your life at least part of that was due to the bandits who took what they weren't entitled to take.

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  • runr4lif88096 Amateur 50 posts since
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    22. Dec 21, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    quote:


    Originally posted by krispyK:

    if you think bandits take awy fromthose that worked to qualify,what about the charity runners? typically they are out on the course way longer and a lot slower...do you look down on them because they wanted to experience Boston but did not "work" for it other than raise money?
    or what about my BF who gets a number every year as he works for one of the sponsers...he didnt qualify, does that taint your experience?
    I have a friend who travels here across country to run it every year...he starts at the back, and does not take anything from the aid stations, and does not get in the way of those of you at the front who qualified...
    what I think really bothers a lot of people is their elitist attitude towards the race, witness all the tshirts, etc at the expo that say "I qualified"
    Personally, I do not see what the big deal is....oh amnd my BF starts at the back coral with hs number and has NEVER seen them run out of anyhting and he has run it for the last 10 years...
    personally though, I would not run it unless I qualified, but I see nothing wrong if someone does. I did run it one year with a legit number....am I somehow 'less' of a runner because of this?

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    Many races are ABOUT charity and not winning races. Raising money for cancer research or some other charity is more important than trying to get a pr. The races balances the number of charity runners and runner-runners well, so that shouldn't be in the same category as banditing.

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  • AlaMichele Rookie 55 posts since
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    23. Aug 5, 2006 11:30 AM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    There's a reason the practice of running a race for which one has not entered is called "banditing" the race. Bandits steal. The last time I checked, stealing was illegal and still one of the big "Thou shalt nots."

  • NHSenior Legend 387 posts since
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    24. Dec 21, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    Originally posted by krispyK:
    <<<<.... personally though, I would not run it unless I qualified,

    so in this little pearl of a sentence we have a tacit acknowledgment that "something" exists that is probably a hint as to a person's character. A possible compliment to you and a demerit for the BF

    In this case it leans toward you having more character than the bandits.

    However, in the scheme of life the bad guys exist because there is whole layer of people who functionally have a character flaw and that is they "... see nothing wrong if someone does." stuff that is illegal, immoral (a subjective judgment for sure), or just plain socially annoying.

    You, of course, are squarely in that layer. Thank you for helping allow that which is wrong

    <<< I did run it one year with a legit number....am I somehow 'less' of a runner because of this?

    It has nothing to do with whether you are more or less of a runner. It has to do with whether you are helping or hindering others. You are helping the bad guys and hindering the good guys.

    I guess that puts me on a "high horse" as someone mentioned elsewhere. No wonder the country is going to hell when a message is ignore or discounted because of the source. That happens all the time. Mostly it's a way of life for the fools who act that way. Wise men don't shoot the messenger, they focus on the message. Like Mary T says: Do you "get it? Yet."



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  • lioness1 Pro 346 posts since
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    25. Aug 6, 2006 8:05 AM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    Okay, others have amply talked about moral reasons not to bandit, and I can't add anything to what they've said.

    But some practical/personal issues:

    1. A marathon, especially Boston, is something special, something that I'd want to do the best race I could (altho I admit my one and only Boston was slower than I'd hoped due to blistering)... but if I'm going to dedicate a lot of time and energy for training, I want all the official goodies! I want the official recognition of what I've done, b/c otherwise who knows, ppl might say, "yeah, uh huh, weren't you in that bar a few blocks from the finish while the race was going on?" 
    1a. I should mention that for me, the specialness of qualifying was not diminished by whoever else was in the race, officially or unofficially, lottery ('96) or charity, or qualified, or whatever... But to have the experience of qualifying and getting in that way was something I wouldn't have wanted to miss... partly b/c I felt good about doing that, partly b/c the work that went into it helped me become a better all around runner.

    2. It's a heckuva lot easier to take water and such from the aid stations than to carry one's own (so as to somewhat salve one's conscience about running unregistered). (If you're taking water and such from the aid stations w/out registering, please don't do so.)

    3. (Less true of Boston and other chip races, but still...), unofficial runners crossing finish lines can skew results of those who have registered.

    4. A problem that especially comes up when running w/ another's number: If there's an emergency, and you're running as someone else, that person's family will be called, and yours will not be. Unnecessary worry for one family... loss of opportunity for another family to be with someone they love.

    5. If you have an official number, esp'y in large races, you're often asked to put medical and emergency contact info on the back of the bib, which makes it a lot easier to treat you and/or contact your family.

    That having been said, I'll step out of the fray....

  • Cary Lynch Rookie 1 posts since
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    26. Aug 6, 2007 4:40 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    I like that there are "bandits" out there (I've even done it once).  More runners means more competition, and as a competitor, I thrive off of competition.  In fact, my best marathon times were at races where I felt compelled to beat those running in packs around me.  Are bandit-haters afraid of this?  Also, bandits aren't at a race to take bags and bags worth of swag.  Registered runners have no qualms about taking anything that isn't nailed down.  I've worked at race aide stations.  I've seen registered runners take what I consider more than their fair-share with a sense of entitlement that was shameful.  In all my years of running and helping out at races, I have never had any problems with bandits.  They don't monopolize the EMS, they don't start problems, they just want to run.  Those who hate the bandits sound like hypocrites.

  • JaimieB Rookie 28 posts since
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    27. Aug 7, 2007 1:59 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    I have read and re-read the replies and I can't find an answer to the original questions.  I was actually curious to find out the answers.

  • QuickSilver096 Amateur 188 posts since
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    28. Aug 7, 2007 8:54 PM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    quote:


    Originally posted by pekeuncle98:

    It's been over 23 years since I ran the Boston marathon. I couldn't qualify officially so, the three times I ran it I was one of the many runners who just started the race behind all the offficial runners. My question: are there any Bandit runners out there? Anybody jump in at the start this year? What's that scene like these days?


     



    I was a "charity" runner at Boston 2007. Let me answer your questions:

    a) are there any Bandit runners out there?
    b) Anybody jump in at the start this year?

    Sure. I saw one guy in street clothes join his running buddies at the start. Every now and then, I saw runners without bibs so I assumed they were bandits.

    c) What's that scene like these days?

    Same as it has ever been. Still one of the fastest marathons I've been in (quality of the runners) where I ended up mid-pack instead of the front 20%. Great crowds.

    I still hope to BQ and come back to run with my niece (although not that high on my list anymore). I'm not condoning this b practice, but can't say it doesn't happen either. So FYI, hope your questions have been answered.



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  • Jim Sullivan032 Rookie 504 posts since
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    29. Aug 8, 2007 9:03 AM (in response to pekeuncle98)
    Re: Boston Marathon Bandit Running

    I don't know that I would call it "stealing". My problem with bandits is that they're selfish and lazy. As Grizzly suggested, get a charity number. That way, you can run the race officially and help a worthy cause in the process. It's not the race or the runners who lose out to bandits, it's the organizations in partnership with the race that could have used the fundraising or volunteer work.

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