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Click to view Stardog34's profile Pro 81 posts since
Apr 1, 2005
15. Jun 10, 2005 5:05 PM in response to: runrgrl1
I like them both - skim milk and soy milk. It depends on my mood and what I am putting it in. I like soy milk in cereal and smoothies better than milk. For drinking plain either one works for me. I think both have different nutritional benefits.
Click to view Sue in NYC's profile Pro 90 posts since
Oct 8, 2000
16. Jun 10, 2005 8:45 PM in response to: runrgrl1
quote:<HR>Originally posted by runrgrl1:
I'm just wondering, though, what's so great about soy milk vs. regular skim milk? <HR>


It's lower in everything regular milk gives you, including calcium and protein.

If you're lactose intolerant drink Lactaid.
Click to view entropysDad's profile Amateur 16 posts since
Mar 8, 2005
17. Jun 10, 2005 9:04 PM in response to: runrgrl1
I could never take Lactaid. To me it was pretty nasty.

Rice Dream Enriched Rice Milk - 30% RDA Clacium; 1 g Protein.
WestSoy Vanilla or Chocalate Soy Shake - 30% RDA Calcium; 7g Protein - You've got to try this stuff! I usually only see it at Wild Oats stores. Really good stuff.

Use Rice milk in your cereal, tea and coffee. If your used to skim, you likely will not notice much difference. Use vanilla if you want it sweeter.

Soy milk in cereal leaves an acquired taste. Soy in coffee or tea has a chalky texture to it - wish Starbucks would get rice milk, but at leats they have the soy. It is great for cooking.
Click to view Ariann092's profile Legend 681 posts since
Jan 4, 2005
18. Jun 11, 2005 12:14 AM in response to: runrgrl1
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sue in NYC:
It's lower in everything regular milk gives you, including calcium and protein.

If you're lactose intolerant drink Lactaid.
<HR>


If it's enriched (most are), it has 1-2 grams less protein than milk (a negligible difference), as much calcium, as much Vitamin D, more B-12, more iron, more fiber and more of other vitamins and minerals, but I'm too lazy to go look at the packaging right now. If the milk is not skim, it also has less cholesterol and saturated fat. If the soymilk is unsweetened, it also has less sugar than skim milk; if it's sweetened they're about equivalent in sugar.

But of course we don't need to drink ANY kind of milk (animal or vegetable) to get ANY of the things that milk contains.
Click to view Sue in NYC's profile Pro 90 posts since
Oct 8, 2000
20. Jun 11, 2005 9:44 PM in response to: runrgrl1
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ariann:
If it's enriched (most are), it has 1-2 grams less protein than milk (a negligible difference), as much calcium, as much Vitamin D, more B-12, more iron, more fiber and more of other vitamins and minerals, but I'm too lazy to go look at the packaging right now.<HR>


Well, I did some supermarket shelf research, and the "Soy Dream" and the rest of them don't substantiate your claim.
Click to view entropysDad's profile Amateur 16 posts since
Mar 8, 2005
21. Jun 12, 2005 12:36 PM in response to: runrgrl1
Enriched Skim Milk:

Calories 90
Fat Calories 0
Total Fat 0g
Saturated Fat g
Choletesterol 0mg
Sodium 125mg
Total Carbohydrates 13g
Sugars 12g
Protein 8g
Vitamin A 10%
Vitamin C 4%
Vitamin D 25%
Calcium 30%
Iron 0%

Rice Dream Enriched:

Calories 120
Fat Calories 20
Total Fat 2g
Saturated Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 90mg
Total Carbohydrates 25g
Sugars 11%
Protein 1g
Vitamin A 10%
Vitamin B12 25%
Vitamin C 0%
Vitamin D 25%
Phosphorous 15%
Vitamin E 4%

WestSoy Soy Shake (Sorry, no regular soy milk in the 'frig today)

Calories 170
Fat Calories 25
Total Fat 3g
Saturated Fat 0g
Polyunsaturated Fat 2g
Monounsaturated Fat 0.5g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 125mg
Potassium 380mg
Total Carbohydrates 28g
Dietary Fiber 3g
Sugars 23g
Protein 7g
Vitamin A 10%
Vitamin B12 25%
Vitamin C 0%
Vitamin D 25%
Calcium 30%
Iron 15%
Phosphorous 15%

I'd say that this pretty much substantiates the Ariann's earlier claim. With the vitamins pretty much the same, the carbohydrate mix makes the rice and soy milks a better choice for athletes. If you want more protein, go with soy. If you want a closer taste to that of skim milk, use rice.
Click to view Ariann092's profile Legend 681 posts since
Jan 4, 2005
22. Jun 12, 2005 2:52 PM in response to: runrgrl1
And Silk Plain (sweetened): (Silk is probably the most popular brand of soy milk out there and occupies the most shelf-space of both Whole Foods and my local supermarket)

Calories: 100
Fat 4 g
Protein 7 g
Fiber 1 g
Sugar 6 g (The unsweetened version has 1 g of sugar)
Sodium 120 mg
Potassium 300 mg
Vitamin A 10%
Calcium 30%
Vitamin D 30%
Iron 6 %
Folate 6%
Riboflavin 30%
B12 50%
Zinc 4%
Vitamin C 0%

Shoprite Brand Vanilla (obviously, sweetened)

Calories 90
Fat 3.5 g
Protein 6 g
Fiber 2 g
Sugar 6 g
Sodium 160 mg
Potassium 560 mg
Vitamin A 10%
Calcium 30%
Vitamin D 30%
Folate 15%
Iron 8%
Riboflavin 40%
B12 50%
Zinc 10%
Thiamin 6%
B6 4%
Magnesium 20%
Copper 25%
Manganese 20%
Phosphorous 8%
Vitamin E 25%
Vitamin C 0%

I mean, seriously, it's not even a contest. I don't know what kind of sad soy milk availability you have, Sue, but most of the soy milks in my local Whole Foods (and ALL the soy milks in my local supermarket, ShopRite) are enriched with, at bare minimum, calcium, Vitamin D and Vitamin A, and they are basically along the lines of what I and EntropysDad have posted. The more sweetened soy milks are, the lower the protein as compared to sugar. However, the ones I posted (which are representative of the brands with the biggest shelf-space at every single store I've been to) are either equivalent to or superior to milk, nutritionally. The major issues are added sugars and lack of enrichment (even cows' milk is enriched, of course, so it is truly ridiculous to compare enriched cows' milk with non-enriched soy milk), which are easily eliminated with about two seconds of browsing.

Also, to rnrgirl, the soy milks and cows' milks at my local rinky-**** supermarket are the EXACT SAME PRICE for the same size containers. At the Whole Foods, the soy milk is generally CHEAPER than the regular milk. The only exceptions are the difficult to find brands or the ones that use all organic ingredients (such as EdenSoy). But again, think about the price of organic milk and they are comparable.

**Good reasons not to drink soy milk: you love cow milk, you don't like soy milk.**

Bad reasons to not drink soy milk as long as you have even a minimal selection: nutritional differences, price.
Click to view GaRebelRunner075's profile Pro 147 posts since
Apr 13, 2003
23. Jun 12, 2005 4:06 PM in response to: runrgrl1
I have just started drinking West Soy unsweetened Soy Milk with just a little bit of vanilla. It's not bad. Nutritionally there are pluses and minuses. But it has no cholesterol which is important for me. I'll probably start using it on my cereal a little later this week.

I made some strawberry smoothies this afternoon with soy milk and came out very well. I didn't tell my SO that I was using soy milk and they thought the smoothies were outstanding. I figure what they don't know won't hurt 'em.

West Soy Unsweetened Vanilla Soy Milk:

Calories: 100 Calories from fat 40
Total Fat 4.5g
Saturated Fat 0.5
Cholesterol 0
Sodium 30 mg
Total Carbs 5g
Dietary Fiber 4 g
Sugars 1 g
Protein 9 g

Vitamin A: 0% Vitamin C 0% Calcium 4% Iron 10%

Mayfield Dairy 2% Milk

Calories 130 Calories from fat 45
Total Fat 5g
Saturated fat 3g
Cholesterol 20mg
Sodium 125 mg
Total Carbs 12g
Dietary Fiber 0g
Sugars 12g
Protein 8g

Vitamin A: 10% Vitamin C 4% Calcium 30%
Iron 0% Vitamin D 25%

Insofar as Vitamin C I get my daily amount from Grape Juice. Calcium and Vitamin D I get from other sources also.

So for now, I'll stick with the soy milk, although I can see where for some people cows milk may be better.
Click to view Sue in NYC's profile Pro 90 posts since
Oct 8, 2000
25. Jun 12, 2005 10:37 PM in response to: runrgrl1
quote:<HR>Originally posted by entropysDad:

Enriched Skim Milk:
Calories 90
Protein 8g
Calcium 30%

Rice Dream Enriched:
Calories 120
No calcium listed

WestSoy Soy Shake
Calories 170
Protein 7g
Calcium 30%

I'd say that this pretty much substantiates the Ariann's earlier claim.
<HR>


Almost double the calories in the WestSoy for a little less protein and some fat, more calories for far less protein and NO calcium in the Rice Dream.
Click to view banananutmuffin's profile Expert 56 posts since
Jul 8, 2004
26. Jun 13, 2005 1:13 AM in response to: runrgrl1
My Rice Dream Enriched container reads "30% Calcium." I think someone has their info wrong.
Click to view Sue in NYC's profile Pro 90 posts since
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27. Jun 13, 2005 9:34 AM in response to: runrgrl1
quote:<HR>Originally posted by banananutmuffin:
My Rice Dream Enriched container reads "30% Calcium." I think someone has their info wrong.<HR>


Yeah, whomever typed in the nutritional information I quoted from.

Anyway, the point is simply that there's no nutritional advantage to using cow's milk substitutes unles you have ethical concerns or believe that dairy cattle are all overdosed on drugs and hormones. I don't.
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28. Jun 13, 2005 10:24 AM in response to: runrgrl1
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sue in NYC:
Yeah, whomever typed in the nutritional information I quoted from.

Anyway, the point is simply that there's no nutritional advantage to using cow's milk substitutes unles you have ethical concerns or believe that dairy cattle are all overdosed on drugs and hormones. I don't.
<HR>


I think the key is that some of the products are fortified, some are not. In reading labels, you can easily find which ones are fortified.
Click to view Lieren's profile Amateur 15 posts since
Sep 17, 2004
29. Jun 13, 2005 10:45 PM in response to: runrgrl1
I love milk. But soy milk has one great advantage in that you can tote it around at room temperature for most of the day and not have it turn on you. I fill up an old peanut butter jar with chocolate soy milk and throw it into my bag for a snack during the day. My favorite brand is Vitasoy - it's very "milky," but I've only seen it at the greatest grocery store in the western hemisphere, the Wegman's in Ithaca. 8th Continent Light (if you do artificial sweeteners) is also good.