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Feb 24, 2006 7:07 PM

Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?

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And to think that I only drank it because I'm a chocoholic...

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During a 2004 Summer Olympics awash in controversies over steroids and supplements, one sportswriter wryly noticed that top American swimmer Michael Phelps was playing it safe -- he preferred to drink Carnation Instant Breakfast between races.

Now it appears that the six-time gold medalist may have been onto something. A new study shows that plain old chocolate milk may be as good -- or better -- than sports drinks like Gatorade at helping athletes recover from strenuous exercise.

The study, published in the International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism, was small in scale; it was partially funded by the dairy industry. But dietitians say the study should help to counter the notion that high-tech, expensive supplements are better than whole foods when it comes to athletic performance. They also note that milk contains key nutrients, such as calcium and vitamin D, in quantities that sports drinks can?t match.

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Milk is a sports drink ?plus,?? Keith Ayoob, EdD, a registered dietitian and associate professor of pediatrics at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, tells WebMD. ?It will supply you with things you need whether or not you?re working out.?

The study builds on findings that intense endurance exercise reduces the muscles? supply of stored glucose, or glycogen, a key source of fuel for exercise. To maximize glycogen replacement, the American College of Sports Medicine and the American Dietetic Association recommend taking in a serving of carbohydrates within 30 minutes after a long and vigorous workout.

Milk vs. Sports Drinks

Common sports drinks such as Gatorade supply those carbs, as well as fluids and electrolytes lost through sweat. However, more recent research suggests that adding protein to the mix may further hasten recovery. Hence the new wave of drinks such as Endurox R4 that include protein as well as higher doses of carbs.

In the study, nine male cyclists rode until their muscles were depleted of energy, then rested four hours and biked again until exhaustion. During the rest period, the cyclists drank low-fat chocolate milk, Gatorade, or Endurox R4. During a second round of exercise, the cyclists who drank the chocolate milk were able to bike about 50% longer than those who drank Endurox, and about as long as those who drank the Gatorade.

The findings suggest that chocolate milk has an optimal ratio of carbohydrates to protein to help refuel tired muscles, researcher Joel M. Stager, PhD, Indiana University kinesiology professor, tells WebMD.

But the most puzzling result of the study, experts say, was why Endurox -- which has the same carb-to-protein ratio as the chocolate milk -- fared so poorly. Researcher Jeanne D. Johnston, MA, tells WebMD it may have to do with the different composition of the sugars in the milk. Another theory is that the sugars in the milk may be better absorbed in the gut than those in the Endurox.

Edward F. Coyle, PhD, a researcher on exercise and hydration at the University of Texas, tells WebMD the trial would have been stronger if the researchers had also tested the effect of flavored water or another dummy (placebo) drink.

The study was partly funded by the Dairy and Nutrition Council, an industry group. Coyle says that the study?s reliance on industry funding is not unusual in the world of sports research, as federal funding for such research is hard to come by.

Marathon Runners Drink Too Much

A Cheaper Alternative?

While rapid nutrient replacement may not be important for casual exercisers, it can make a big difference in performance for competitive athletes who work out vigorously once or twice a day, says Roberta Anding, a sports dietitian and spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association.

Anding has long recommended chocolate milk for young athletes who come to her practice at Texas Children?s Hospital in Houston. For children and teenagers from lower-income families, it doesn?t make sense to spend serious money on sports drinks when they can get milk as part of a subsidized lunch program, she tells WebMD. The only advantage of sports drinks, she notes, is that they never spoil.

Ayoob estimates that more than two-thirds of teenagers should be drinking more milk anyway because they don?t get enough calcium in their diets. He also recommends milk for its vitamin D and potassium content. ?For me, this is a no-brainer,? he says.

By Richard Sine, reviewed by Michael W. Smith, MD

SOURCES: Karp, J. International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism, 2006; (16: 78-91). ?Nutrition and athletic performance -- Position of the American Dietetic Association, Dietitians of Canada, and the American College of Sports Medicine,? Svrluga, Barry, ?Olympics Swim Trials,? Washington Post, July 13, 2004, Jeanne Johnston, department of kinesiology, Indiana University at Bloomington. Joel M. Stager, PhD, department of kinesiology, Indiana University at Bloomington; Keith Ayoob, EdD, RD, associate professor of pediatrics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Edward F. Coyle, PhD, professor, kinesiology and health education, University of Texas. Roberta Anding, clinical and sports dietitian, Texas Children?s Hospital, Houston.
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1. Feb 24, 2006 7:19 PM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
My only problem with this is that no one ever said that Gatorade was a good recovery drink. It's good to replenish while still exercising not once you are done.

I am surprised about the chocolate milk faring better than Endurox. The subjects began exercising again only 4 hours after. I wonder what the results would have been if it were longer period...say 12 to 24 hours. I think Endurox does more than just replenish glycogen stores, which I think is what the milk is doing quicker. The added protein and vitamins and the in the Endurox promotes healing, etc. I'll keep drinking my Endurox, thank you.
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2. Feb 24, 2006 9:11 PM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Notey:
My only problem with this is that no one ever said that Gatorade was a good recovery drink. It's good to replenish while still exercising not once you are done.

I am surprised about the chocolate milk faring better than Endurox. The subjects began exercising again only 4 hours after. I wonder what the results would have been if it were longer period...say 12 to 24 hours. I think Endurox does more than just replenish glycogen stores, which I think is what the milk is doing quicker. The added protein and vitamins and the in the Endurox promotes healing, etc. I'll keep drinking my Endurox, thank you.
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I have a recovery drink by gatorade. It was a sample from some marathon expo, and I have not used it yet. It has protein in it.
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3. Feb 24, 2006 9:51 PM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
Chocolate milk is my favorite recovery drink. I love having a nice tall glass of it after a 20 miler.

P.S. I'm surprised the anti-milk crew has taken so long to jump on this thread. Any minute now we shoould start seeing links to those milk is poison websites....
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4. Feb 24, 2006 11:11 PM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
I have heard this quite a few times, something about the choc milk having the right balance of carbs/protein.
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5. Feb 24, 2006 11:34 PM in response to: cipher057
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by moroccangirl:
I have heard this quite a few times, something about the choc milk having the right balance of carbs/protein.<HR>


Yes, a 4:1 ratio of carbohydrate to protein is touted to promote glycogen repletion (the carbs) and skeletal muscle repair (the protein). I like plain old skim milk too, even w/o the chocolate. It doesn't have as many grams of carbohydrate as the chocolate variety though. I often have a glass of orange juice and a glass of milk (not mixed together, mind you) after a run. The OJ certainly bumps the ratio in favor of carbs. It's a good way to get calories into your depleted body (when you might not want to down solid food right away), plus, since these are liquids, you're also improving your hydration status.

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6. Feb 24, 2006 11:41 PM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by moroccangirl:
I have heard this quite a few times, something about the choc milk having the right balance of carbs/protein.<HR>



SlimFast shakes also have the same 4:1 carb ratio.
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7. Feb 24, 2006 11:44 PM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
doesn't it make you guys cramp up?
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8. Feb 25, 2006 12:09 AM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by ttsanford001:

SlimFast shakes also have the same 4:1 carb ratio.
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Double check the label on those SlimFasts. They used to be my recovery drink of choice, but they switched to a low carb version

If you have a source for the origional recipe, I suggest you stock up, I switched to low fat Chocolate milk about a year ago.

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9. Feb 25, 2006 12:14 AM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by divechief:
Double check the label on those SlimFasts. They used to be my recovery drink of choice, but they switched to a low carb version

If you have a source for the origional recipe, I suggest you stock up, I switched to low fat Chocolate milk about a year ago.

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Yeah, you can't go with the Optima line - only the original recipe which is still sold at my grocery store.

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10. Feb 25, 2006 12:28 AM in response to: cipher057
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by ttsanford001:

SlimFast shakes also have the same 4:1 carb ratio.
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11. Feb 25, 2006 12:39 AM in response to: cipher057
Re: Chocolate Milk: The new sports drink?
I wonder about Chocolate Soy Milk,like Silk, as a recovery drink?
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12. Feb 25, 2006 1:00 AM in response to: cipher057
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Notey:
I am surprised about the chocolate milk faring better than Endurox. The subjects began exercising again only 4 hours after. I wonder what the results would have been if it were longer period...say 12 to 24 hours. I think Endurox does more than just replenish glycogen stores, which I think is what the milk is doing quicker. The added protein and vitamins and the in the Endurox promotes healing, etc. I'll keep drinking my Endurox, thank you.<HR>

So, you're thinking that there's something in Endurox that's very slow-acting? I dunno--like what? How do you think the carbs, protein, and "vitamins" in Endurox are any different that what's in chocolate milk? (Are there vitamins in Endurox? Or just artificial stuff with funny-sounding names?) I think the Endurox people are selling snake oil. Are there any independent studies that show Endurox has any effect beyond choc milk, or any effect at all? I'm sure there's lots of "proof" from Endurox-sponsored studies. Unless there's a truly independent study showing that all the added chemicals and **** in Endurox have any effect beyond the carbs and protein (which you can get much cheaper via other sources), it's all snake oil.

I used to use Slim Fast until I noticed that I get the same carbs and protein from skim milk mixed with Nestle's Quik. It's vastly cheaper too. I've also used choc soy milk, but it's pretty expensive and not as tasty as skim choc milk.

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14. Feb 25, 2006 6:15 PM in response to: cipher057
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by MikeBro:
So, you're thinking that there's something in Endurox that's very slow-acting? I dunno--like what? How do you think the carbs, protein, and "vitamins" in Endurox are any different that what's in chocolate milk? (Are there vitamins in Endurox? Or just artificial stuff with funny-sounding names?) I think the Endurox people are selling snake oil. Are there any independent studies that show Endurox has any effect beyond choc milk, or any effect at all? I'm sure there's lots of "proof" from Endurox-sponsored studies. Unless there's a truly independent study showing that all the added chemicals and **** in Endurox have any effect beyond the carbs and protein (which you can get much cheaper via other sources), it's all snake oil.

I used to use Slim Fast until I noticed that I get the same carbs and protein from skim milk mixed with Nestle's Quik. It's vastly cheaper too. I've also used choc soy milk, but it's pretty expensive and not as tasty as skim choc milk.

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Endurox includes vitamins, especially vitamin E. There is 1100% of the RDA which just scares me.

Fast acting carbs are best for recovery drinks. Its the only time that simple carbs should be consumed in preference to complex carbs (unless you have a sweet tooth )