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24 Replies Last post: May 8, 2006 4:56 PM by totaleffort   1 2 Previous Next
Click to view melb025's profile Amateur 14 posts since
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Apr 13, 2006 10:47 PM

Weston Price Foundation

anyone ever hear of this guy or the foundation named after him? Anyway their ideas about nutrition contradict much of today's popular wisdom on good nutrition. Anyone else ever get frustrated/confused with the conflicting information? I've been experimenting with my diet to improve my PCOS and recently diagnosed thyroid condition. It's hard to know what's 'right'

Just venting...
Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
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1. Apr 14, 2006 9:06 AM in response to: melb025
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Yes...I am familiar with Dr. Price. I bought his book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration". Excellent survey of cultures and what they were eating in the early 1920s and how the modern food influences were ruining their teeth and health (he was afteralll a dentist!).

I actually follow the Eskimo/Native American diet of all meat. Works really well for me.
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3. Dec 21, 2007 5:38 PM in response to: melb025
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by melb025:
Suzette,

Yes I am a regular lurker on these boards and am familiar with your diet....and was hoping you would respond.

Everyone please note I am not trying to start the carb/no card debate again in any way, shape or form. Since my homeopath recommended some of the things suzzette has talked about before, I was just trying to get her perspective on some of the nutritional strategies (pros, cons) he suggested.

Anyway...
I've been incorporating some aspects of his philosophy into my diet (no wheat, unless in sprouted breads, cod liver oil, ghee, salmon, egg yolks). I had been a vegetarian for two years--and now am i pescatarian i guess-- but was having some chronic health problems and went to a homeopath who suggested I adopt some of these nutritional strategies, which I have done.

What concerns me now is the effects of the interaction between two diet types (i.e. parts of a trad. diet with a vegetarian diet)....

for breakfast I'm having plain organic oats cooked with some fruit (strawberries or something)
three egg whites and two yolks (previously I was just eating the whites due to concerns about cholestoral and sat. fat)
two teaspoons cod liver oil
tea, sweetened with stevia

a snack might be a piece of fruit and some pb on spelt bread or a rice cake; maybe a fruit and some raw almonds

lunch is a big salad with organic greens, snap peas, chick peas, almonds, carrot, tomatoes, maybe with some (wild) canned salmon...dressing is olive oil and vinegar, garlic
two more teaspoons of cod liver oil

a snack might be an orange

dinner might be vegetables like brocolli and asparagus cooked in ghee, beans and rice; some nights veggies and fish.

a snack might be spelt bread with ghee

The homeopath also recommended full fat dairy products (preferably raw) so I may pick up some brown cow yogurt at whole foods, and am considering adding turkey to my diet. This whole animal fat thing is a huge shift in my thinking and I just want to be healthy. I'm not trying to lose weight (5'4 124, but muscular (size 4)) but want to get my periods back and fix this thyroid condition

fyi--I run 35-50 miles a week, plus spinning, lifting. I'm aiming to run sub 1:35 in the half. my previous best is 1:35:50.

I also want to train for a marathon but my energy levels have been very low, though they have improved since I began these diet changes.

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Melb025,

My hat is off to you at being willing to try something new to get well. I was very sick before I started my current diet.

The only thing I can say about mixing the diets is that you want to avoid mixing LCFAs (long-chain fatty acids are saturated fats...though Omega 3s are long-chains, too) with carbohydrates. Potatoes with sour cream is probably the worst thing you can eat. That combination is what makes triglycerides.

The reason the low-fat diet seems to make sense is because it avoids mixing carbs with LCFAs. The problem is that you need LCFAs to transport vitamins around the body and to make cells walls (and probably a few other reasons).

I assume your homeopath has seen the change in diet make a big difference to her patients. I can verify that mine did. You might try reading Dr. Price's book. The pictures of all of the people and their teeth are kind of funny

Suzette


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Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
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5. Apr 18, 2006 1:45 PM in response to: melb025
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by melb025:
Suzette,

You write the following:

The only thing I can say about mixing the diets is that you want to avoid mixing LCFAs (long-chain fatty acids are saturated fats...though Omega 3s are long-chains, too) with carbohydrates. Potatoes with sour cream is probably the worst thing you can eat. That combination is what makes triglycerides.

Now is this just when you consume them together or if you consume them both throughout the day? I'd love to read more about this process. I've also heard that cholestoral in and of itself isn't a precursor to stroke/heart disease etc.

Also, why is ghee so superior to butter ?

thanks!

PS how is your friend? I think I ran in a race this him this winter--Stu's 15k in Lynn
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Maybe TE will see this and respond. I know that he ran a long race...not sure if it was in Lynn. Did you feel that you did well? Lot of hills!

There is no evidence that lowering cholesterol via statins reduces the risk of heart disease (says so right on the bottom of the T.V. screen). The important thing is ratio of Total to HDLs. As long as it is under 4 your risk is very low. The problem with those drugs is that they can't increase HDLs. Things that do are fish...fish oil...fat. When my cholesterol was 287 (due to eating almost a pound of bacon a day) my HDLs were 99. So, the ratio was fine. When I cut the bacon and ate more fish the total dropped and my HDLs went down to the 80s. Ratio was still fine.

The worst thing is the triglycerides. These are what circulate in the blood and then land in your fat deposits. I don't know enough about the biochemistry to be able to say that if you eat a potato in the morning and then sour cream at night you will be fine. My guess is no. You can't really see-saw with the diets because your body gets confused. If you want to fuel on glucose and eat high carb/low fat then you need to stick with that and not cheat and eat a bunch of butter.

However, if you want to fuel on fat and eat high fat/low protein then you don't cheat and eat lean meat (like tuna).

Ghee is superior to regular butter in that it keeps without refrigeration and contains no milk fat or milk protein. It is used heavily in middle Eastern cooking because most middle Easterners are lactose intolerant and they do not eat milk products generally. (I work with a Bangladeshi and he was surprised to learn that I knew about ghee.) It can be used for sauteeing because it has a higher burning point than regular butter.

If I was going to go back to the high-carb lifestyle I would still use ghee in cooking...for example...if you make popcorn balls you have to skim and skim...that's the milk in the butter foaming up.

I wasn't quite clear when you got this advice to change your diet of if you have started. I was wondering if you were noticing any improvement in your conditions.
Click to view totaleffort's profile Legend 280 posts since
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6. Apr 18, 2006 2:52 PM in response to: melb025
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Melb025.

Oh if you recall the "Great Stew Race" triggered me coming on here in the first place.

I remember running for a few miles in that race with a woman and a couple of guys and kept asking her for splits as my watch was not working.Was that you ? If so, thanks. I think she ran for " North Shore Striders " and I could not keep up to her on that water tower hill. Whew , that was a real good one !!

Also remember congratulating a woman who was happy just to finish . You ?

Anyway maybe you were somebody else I talked to as I tend to encourage anyone who will listen whether I know them or not.

Let me know who you were and thanks for the inquiry which is a first for me on here.

I applaud you for attempting something different when what you are eating is not working.

Glad to give you tips if I have any that might assist you.

Hey, obviosuly I never ate the stew . Was it any good ?

BTW I'm just fine. Did a 1/2 in March and a 5 K 2 weeks ago.Ready for race season.
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7. Apr 18, 2006 2:58 PM in response to: melb025
Re: Weston Price Foundation
I have their website on my favorites. I am very much into anything that goes against the "almight gods of medicine". I would love to make my own 90% fat and 10% meat jerky like the Indians did for my long runs!
Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
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9. Apr 19, 2006 12:24 PM in response to: melb025
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Melb025...feel free to ask any questions and we'll see if we can help.

Does this diet you post keep you full? After I run I am starving

I gave up eating poultry after getting sick on some duck. I had been eating duck regularly, but all of a sudden I couldn't eat it anymore. I then went to a barbeque where they were serving chicken and I was sick for a couple of days. (In both cases the fowl was well cooked.) Poultry (particularly turkey) contains a lot of trytophan. That's why people talk about sleeping after eating turkey. But, that isn't particularly good for running. So, that's when I decided to just quit eating poultry altogether. Besides that, I always found chicken to be kind of dry. It really only tasted good to me when coated in flour and spices and deep-fried (ain't going to happen!).
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10. Apr 19, 2006 6:09 PM in response to: melb025
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Melb025. Looks like you had a great race and I probably saw you flying down the water tower hill as I was working my way up it.

So first off your diet change while significant is not fatal . Try to relax . Recognize your condition now and perhaps keep a daily log of how you feel , level of activity and what you ate. Maybe a trend or pattern will develop.I played with my diet for 6-7 months until I attained the proper mix.

Now as for the PCOS a tad out of my league but do you get enough iron ? Under a lot of stress ? Family history? Any evidence of insulin resistance? I'm sure you know about possible over exercise connection malnutrion etc. O.K anough about that as you know way more than I do. If my inquiries are way off the mark please bear with me. I'm only a guy.

Do you get adequate food or calories ?

The A + D sound good .Might want to consider liver , some spinach and good old sunshine.I like the walnuts and berries . How about some cheese ?

Don't think you mentioned what you drink? Agree the chips and crackers can go.

Appears you are easing into the meat thing with the poultry. Can you handle beef ? If you can, I prefer and would recommend it.

So glad to assist if we can. Noticed in your profile that you are a Boston Grad student .Arguably the best area in the country to be a student .I have a daughter who is a professor at one of the Boston colleges and though not yet 30 she only teaches grad students. It can be a small world.Huh?

Questions if you have them.
Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
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13. Apr 25, 2006 11:05 AM in response to: melb025
Re: Weston Price Foundation
quote:<HR>Originally posted by melb025:
Hi CS and TE

I've been off the radar for a few days---finals!!
Anyway, I've been wondering if I may have some gluten sensitivity issues. I've stopped eating wheat(unless it was sprouted bread) but over the past few days have felt my self slipping back to how I felt pre-visit to the homeopath and the subsequent dietary changes...

either of you familiar with gluten sensitivity/celiac? I hear its way more common most realize...
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Hi Melb025,

Hope your finals went okay!

Actually, my sister and niece are diagnosed with Celiac Disease. They are both on a gluten-free diet. I had all the symptoms but I tested negative. However, I went gluten-free anyway!

Bascially, if you have a gluten allergy you are damaging the small intestine. The villi become eroded and you don't absorb all the nutrients that you are supposed to. The gluten-free diet is a complete cure.

What symptoms are you having?
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14. Apr 26, 2006 5:59 PM in response to: melb025
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Ghee is superior to regular butter in that it keeps without refrigeration and contains no milk fat or milk protein.
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Ghee is clarified butter with removed solids. It is almost entirely saturated fat. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghee)