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Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
Apr 8, 2005
17. May 5, 2006 12:54 PM in response to: melb025
Re: Weston Price Foundation
quote:<HR>Originally posted by melb025:
**bump** for CS and TE<HR>


Hello Melb025,

That's great that you are finally feeling well. Half the battle!

Your body might still be really run down. Once my sister was diagnosed she like fell apart. She caught viral pnemonia and kept catching colds. When she came to visit I made her go with me to the health food store and we loaded up on things that I thought would make her healthier. (She had to haul them back to England.)

My favorite book on nutrients is Dr. Atkins book called "Vita-nutrient Solution". He goes over what all of the various vitamins, minerals, amino acids and herbs do and cites all of the related studies that have been done on each. In the back he gives recommended supplement regimens for a variety of problems that people might have. If you look for it try to find the one that is the bigger soft-back. The little paperback is too small. I think I have 4 of his books and they are all great.

I am not a huge fan of his "diet" or what his diet morphed into. It is much too complicated for the majority of people out there and in eating all of the fake sugar desserts and macadamia nuts, etc. it is too hard to stop cravings. But, his books are terrific in the simple way they explain how the body handles sugar/insulin.

I am not familiar with the book you named. What is it about?

Your cycles should come back when your nutrient levels (and fat stores) are sufficient. You are taking cod liver oil. Do you take cal-mag? Try the "Optizinc" by Source Naturals at the Vitamin Shoppe. I also like the Ester-C by Soloray 500 mg. For recovery I highly recommend L-Glutamine powder. You can find this at the Vitamin Shoppe. I even have my mother taking it.

Keep us posted!
Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
Apr 8, 2005
18. May 5, 2006 12:58 PM in response to: melb025
Re: Weston Price Foundation
Oh...I remember how afraid I was when I ate my first meal without vegetables. I thought, "Well, maybe I am going to die." But, the alternative was worse! After 2 years I haven't died and can run a half marathon, not fast, but it is something that I could not do just 2 years earlier.
Click to view totaleffort's profile Legend 280 posts since
Feb 10, 2006
20. May 7, 2006 1:34 PM in response to: melb025
Re: Weston Price Foundation
Hi Melb !

Hope the exams went fine.

I never really follwed the Atkins plan just gradually reduced my carb intake over 6 months to a year ( I was careful ) ending up where I am at today of about 25 net carbs a day.I played with the carbs along the way until I attained the mix I thought best . I had no adverse health issues of any kind and all blood work results etc actually improved.

I now eat fish ( mostly salmon) , beef, lamb,eggs , peanut butter , some bacon, walnuts , berries, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, butter , on occasion cheese . I drink only water.Don't think I forgot anything.

So you can see basically it is high fat / protein but I do get some veggies , fruit, nuts although all at very low net carb level with fiber .

I add in a daily vitamin for a 50 + male , cal/ mag, postssiusm , taurine , fish oil, cod liver oil and L Gluatamine ( nice recovery agent).

You have to figure out what works for you and adjust as necessary. Sure I was curious / nervous about what would happen as I eliminated certain of my longtime foods but only good things happened so I kept reducing the carbs.

Most recent physical was excellent and my running just keeps improving .Two + year later and doing just great.

As for the weight , or fat around the middle? Yes you can shed that big time . I had a 34 inch waist and now it is 28.5 and it is a hard to find clothes to fit me.Good thing is they are usually on sale as few adult men can squeeze into them.

Ate more fat but lost fat . Body fat went from 17 to 12.So retained the muscle.

Hang in there. I applaud you for trying something different and unpopular in an effort to enhance your health.
Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
Apr 8, 2005
21. May 8, 2006 9:59 AM in response to: melb025
Re: Weston Price Foundation
quote:<HR>Originally posted by melb025:

Can i ask why you do not eat veggies anymore? (Do they give you migraines?) Maybe TE will pop in here, I'd love to hear more about his diet, how many carbs he eats a day. I just realized I have no clue how many I eat. I wonder what a good number is....what's your take on ketosis? (the state you body goes into apparently on the Atkins diet)


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When I decided that Atkins wasn't working for me (and yes...I could have just stopped having the fake desserts, but they became a craving) I decided to try no-carb after investigating it. So, eating veggies with carbs would have been cheating. Plus, others do not have to agree, but it is my feeling that the vitamins, minerals and antioxidants contained in meat are superior to that of those in veggies. And, I decided that fiber was overrated. So, if I ate more veggies I would be eating less meat and I didn't want to do that. Plus, I never really like the pure taste of veggies anyway. In order to get them down i would drown them in butter/salt/lemon juice/parmesan cheese. If I ate them raw it was with dressing. And, when doing Atkins I learned that many many veggies are full of starch. TE has picked out the best of the lot.

Ketosis is a perfectly natural state of the body and in my opinion a superior state. Regardless of what you read on other threads the brain and heart both run better on ketones than they do on glucose. This is partially proven by the epileptics that are helped by the Ketogenic Diet. Also, the Eskimos used to live in 100 percent ketosis and were in excellent health.

One of my sister's physiology books from about 1983 mention the fact that the Eskimos lived in ketosis but they went on to say that they didn't know how they were able to do it. That is when I knew that there was a vast conspiracy. How could those doctors say that when I am sure they all knew about Dr. Atkins' book that had been printed in about 1972 that explained the whole thing and that had been reviewed in JAMA a year or so later? Total baloney.
Click to view CSuzette's profile Legend 290 posts since
Apr 8, 2005
23. May 8, 2006 3:55 PM in response to: melb025
Re: Weston Price Foundation
quote:<HR>Originally posted by melb025:

Right now I haven't moved off the poultry/fish to beef. Again, something we've always heard is to limit beef....it's hard to learn to trust our bodies I guess. What types of beef/steak would you recommend? (Natural, of course--I would buy it at Whole Foods)

Finally, I notice neither of you drink anything but water. I drink mostly water, but enjoy a couple of cups a tea a day. CS--you used to have green tea, if I recall but stopped. I've read conflicting ideas about tea...not sure if its ok if its herbal/decaf versus caf.


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It is true that beef contains arachidonic acid...an Omega 6 fatty acid. The naturalists say that historically it contained more Omega 3 when they were fed pasture. Now they are finished off with corn. (Of course, what does that tell you about corn oil?)

The arachidonic acid contributes to the formation of certain prostaglandins which can lead to inflammation. That's why people are either urged to eat no red meat to eat fish.

I can't argue with eating the fish, but to throw out the beef which is full of healthy nutrients, plus iron, is just ridiculous IMHO. You can counter the inflammatory effect by eating more Omega 3s. And, if you want to talk about inflammatory just look at sugar! And, I do not believe saturated fat is bad for you and there is plenty of monosaturated fat in beef (almost 50 percent).

I was at Whole Foods buying my weeking supply of fish and meat and the checkout guy kept going on and on about how great that looked and was I having a bar-b-q. I don't think he believed that I was going to eat it all! Compared to what others buy I imagine it did look really good

I think that caffeine and I are bad news. I drank coffee for about 15 years (not starting until I was 27), but I can't say it ever had a good effect. When I went on Atkins I switched to the green tea and that was fine until the place I work put in a free coffee/tea machine. Well, suddenly I was drinking little cups of green tea on the hour. It wasn't long before my stomach pains came back and I had gained 5 pounds. Another woman at work doing Atkins came over to my desk and asked me if I thought the tea (she was drinking honey flavored) was making her stomach hurt and had made her gain 5 pounds! That's when I almost said enough was enough and switched to decaf. But, when I still got a headache I tossed it all.

I must say that my teeth certainly became a brilliant white like they were when I was a kid. I will never go back to drinking that stuff.
Click to view totaleffort's profile Legend 280 posts since
Feb 10, 2006
24. May 8, 2006 4:56 PM in response to: melb025
Re: Weston Price Foundation
Hi melb !

Sounds like a few steps at a time is what you might be most comfortable with.

The 200 carbs a day is that now or before?

I was at 650 a day and my intial drop was to 200 a day or 70 % drop then lower with time to the 25 . 200 to 75 is a less dramatic initial decline but not insignificant . Once again you have to figure out what you sense is right for you.

I like rib eye steak, N.Y sirloin steak, sirloin tip steak , hamburg and loin lamb chops.

Only milk I ever drank was for cereal. Cereal went and so did the milk. Never liked yogurt.

Never drank tea or coffee so nothing to give up there.

Did drink O.J. and occasional beer .The beer went early on and now a few of all my beer drinking buddies have abandoned me. Guess the beer can be bonding like coffee or whatever and certainly ........hard to go out for a few drinks if you are not drinking. The O.J went when I finally gave up bananas.

One possible suggestion is when making choices do your best to stick with foods that you think you will like.Always hard to force yourself to eat something that you really hate..

Whole Foods is good . I also go to Wild Harvest .

None of this is fatal and you are in control.Will assist as much as you want. C.S can deal with the female stuff.