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Hi. Sorry I haven't posted in a while. But glad to hear that you are continuing to have success with prolotherapy. I have held off, but actually getting closer to trying prolo probably to be scheduled in the next 2-4 weeks. I wanted to give PT a chance to work and it has helped. But just not healed all the way yet. I finally got my mileage back to my current level wearing something called an SI belt (support for the hip). So now my PT and I are just trying for a couple more weeks to see if PT will help me while running. I'm not optimistic that I will get full resolution through PT. Prolo will be my next step.
I think I'm going to go to Linetsky. Do you think any docs in S. Florida are so good that worth a drive from Orlando? I have finally gotten over the issue with the flight and Dr. Hauser (think I could handle that), but if I need 4-6 series of shots, I don't think we could afford the approximately 2K (including flight) per round, plus there is some question in my case re whether the center of my low back is causing the problem, or both hips. I think in the end the doc will have to try giving me shots into both areas, even with someone like Dr. H (with lots of experience) because I have perplexed some pretty experienced docs/PTs already. And read enough on my own to know that they probably can't know for sure without experimenting (basically it's impossible to know the source of the pain unless a surgeon goes in with a knife). So that means that Dr. H would change potentially for both hips and SI joint, making it a very expensive endeavor. So staying in Fl makes the most financial sense.
Also, is there any way that you could post links to all of the docs whose websites you think are good and/or who have newsletters to which you have subscribed? Besides my own injury, I'm also very interested in whether prolo helps arthritis b/c my husband has hip arthritis. He used to be a very active runner but had to stop a few years ago.
Thanks and good luck on your continued progress!
Designeer, what was your experience with going from Dr. H in Chicago to a more local prolo doc? Are you just as happy with the result?
Even though prolo is still less costly than surgery, it's still pricey and it's out of pocket because insurance won't cover it.
It seems like the results for you, from your posts, have been very effective. I just don't think I can manage going to Chicago every 4-5 weeks either economically or schedule wise.
A visit to Dr. Hauser makes a big stride in your healing, but on the second try I found someone 2 hours from me who is $200 out of pocket per visit and does several injury sites for one hour of treatment, a very good deal............I am healing slower because he is not as aggressive but my quality of life has risen so much higher, how can you not spend $200/month if you knew that in about 4 to 6 visit you would be cured?
Find someone closer to you, ask for a website, read about them..........follow your instincts.
I accepted I would have less of a car, less clothes, less good food, less of everything because I am poor to begin with, but the first wealth is health and with that you will find ways to make money and/or save it because you become pain free, your mind and soul rise.
Again, I am a draftsman, I get nothing for saying all this except knowing you will end your suffering and exasperation.
Get well soon everybody.............you can, the way exists.........
I get threads constantly from Dr. Hauser's office on facebook
This is a good link for finding a doctor's qualifications in prolo
It's been a while since my last post. I have decided to go to Dr. H in Chicago for treatment. I am attempting first however to take off some weight to see how this helps my MN. My MN is stabilized because of the fact I only wear extra wide sneakers or flats now, but I am looking forward to having "young" feet again after prolo.
When you went for your treatments, are the injections quick and over with or extremely painful? I just want to know how many injections, on average and the pain scale. I have to admit I am kind of a pansy when it comes to needles. However, if the payoff is no more neuroma, I'll deal with it!
Its like this Irish,
Do you ever want to run again? I have kept running while getting prolo, stopping for 1 or 2 weeks after the treatment, but walking and then starting up again, and we are talking runing daily about 2 miles.
I would have healed alot faster if not for keeping the running, bicycling and even unicycling going all the time............
I was the worst case scenario in every way, I had kicked a brick wall in anger after my bicycle wreck, that is how I set off my neuroma, in the worst way....it was a big one, I could feel it in there and yet it shrunk on its own.......................the last 3 months I was at 95% cured......................then I decided to TEST my foot with what annoys it th most which is step climber (escalator type machine) at the gym...........my foot does not like to bend....or did not like to bend after kicking that wall...............so bending it alot climbing those stairs for 30 minutes did rub that nerve against something and did re-annoy it back some...................but its not like I went back to square one............I went back down to 80% for about 4 days of nerve irritation....................now I climbing back towards the 90 plus % again and climbing and I insist on doing the stairs and getting it all back or its not a cure in my book.................so I went last Monday for a booster session to help the healing continue................
Now what you don't want to hear is IF Dr, Hauser gives you the deep deep treatment and injects the underside of your foot, it really hurts, you have to squeeze tennis balls in that room, it really stinks..................I hated yet would do it again because my foot became 20 years younger after about 2 of those treatments...............you foot becomes nice and soft and relaxed because it was in a slight spasm with the neuroma growing.................if you get a light treatment from only the top side (dorsal) its more like mosquito bites and I can do 30 of them no problem. But no pain no gain...............its up to you how much you can take.........they rub numbing cream on you well before the shots............which helps but make no mistake, from the underside they hurt..........sorry about that fact........................but I am getting my life back, I have gone mountain biking 3 times and run all I want with no aftermath the next day.............no surgery to worry about the outcome....so what choice do you really have?
I hated spending the money, I am driving an old car now........but me first, cars seconds..what choice do we have anyway............MN hurts............and it gets worse the longer you wait..........
I'm interested in learing as much about how you cured your Morton's Neuroma problem as you can tell me. I have had it for nearly two years, and it's driving me crazy. It goes from being fairly mild, when I don't put much stress on my foot, to hurting a lot when I play tennis or ski. It's the pounding of my foot that really aggravates the problem.
In the last two years, I have tried many things included in which are better walking shoes, padding in my shoes, special inserts in my shoes, cortisone shots, and acupuncture. Nothing has really worked. Some of these things help, but the problem hasn't gone away.This seems to be one of the most frustrating things about the problem. There seems to be no surefire cure. I am really nervous about surgery because I have read that there's a solid chance it can make things worse.
I have heard about prolotherapy from looking at verious websites. There isn't a whole lot of information about prolotherapy as a cure for MN. Is there a reason for that? Or is it just that the prolotherapy is so new or rare a treatment that there aren't many people out talking about it so far?
If it's really a reliable cure, I'd like to know because I would seriously consider seeing someone who can treat this problem of mine.
Dear Frank, I have been dealing with this MN for over 3 years..there is no other answer for me anyway........Dr. Hauser states that 47 % of people who remove nerve still have pain, and then what do you do? Besides that nerve makes muscles work, I would not want 2 inches or more of my foot dead.
I have written 5 pages here.....start at page one and follow my journey.......I "had" an excrutiating version of MN. I thought my life was over....tommorrow moring I plan to get in 6 miles and run 2 to 4 miles every other day....got my life back...........just still not able to climb the stair machine yet for a long time without annoying the nerve which is still thickened...it takes a long time for th body to take back the extra tissue....especially tough scar tissue around the nerve............
look for a doc in your area.............if you can, go to the best who is Dr. Hauser in Chicago, he will do the most in the least amount of time.......but you have to add the airfare........
Dropped metatarsal is key for how some MN is formed................
Ran/walked 6 miles this morning............................without any shooting pain from MN.......................nerve is not completely healed but gets no worse and continues to heal despite these 6 miles runs on the weekend..........without prolo that nerve was choking, dying some days, building an even thicker wall to live other days, I hated its fight for survival when it was lax ligaments allowing the bones to cross(diagonal) just enough to suffocate the nerve, 24 hours of lock, such as in a dropped metarsal state will kill the nerve dead and then it takes a year or more for it to regrow down the remnants of the old tissue and that process is pins and needles, heat and swelling.........
Prolo is the answer....we tore our body up........let's sew it back up maybe even to the tightness of our 20's??? 30's for sure...........may the doctors keep the price affordable so we can heal...........
Last 2 weeks something miraculous happened..................my left foot has been very slow to heal............I have known for some time there was alot more than a MN going on. I had kicked a brick wall, I had a dropped metatarsal.............and now I realized that I had a dislocated toe at the base of the toe to the foot.......for a couple years there was a bump over that joint capsule on the dorsal side...............could not climb many stairs either.............finally, the last prolo session released more trigger points and he was injecting and viola, my toe flattened to the floor, the bump went away.............my toe straightened out...................then I asked for strong prolo right in the joints and ligaments wrapping the capsule to hold it.......it is really hurting, but I hope to lock in the last alignment needed to recover from the stupidest impulsive action of my life............I learned my lesson. On to more healing............
I thought I was going to have to do something for a neuroma that nearly made me quit running last year. Then I noticed after a walk on the beach I had no pain even on concrete barefoot. Interesting. Got me thinking! So I looked into barefoot running so I could see what could be done about form assuming my musculature was causing a collapse in the arches and then pinching the nerve. So the quest began. I ran on the treadmill barefooted and felt fine. Then a friend lent me her VFFs and I had my first PAIN FREE 5k a week later and it felt incredible. That was a year ago. I now run only in the Vibrams and can wear most of my old heeled shoes again without much problem. Every once in a while I'll get the shock and tingle but it doesn't last. Sometimes before putting the shoes on I have to stop and do some foot stretching and that seems to help. If I put on my old Asics, the pain comes right back. Put on the Vibrams and I feel great. Something about the way it separates the toes I think? Anyways, point being I think MN can be caused by so many factors and I urge sufferers to try the barefoot method and see what happens before going to expensive appts. I don't think that will work for everyone though and in that case I totally would look into this method before surgery.
Thanks for all the info!
Running in honor of those that can't....and with vision that one day my son will run alongside me.
I bought 5 toe shoes about a month ago made by Fila, they were only $60 and I walk in them every other day until I can build up the courage to jog in them. My local running store still thinks a person could break a metatarsal if they run on concrete for too long too soon. I can't bring myself to spend any more money like on the book 'barefoot running', I just want to read posts to infer how long it takes for the feet to get used to concrete and how long to ramp it up for a 200 lbs 49 year old ......
Thanks for your great post Valmarie.
I am 100% cured of Morton's Neuroma symptoms.............my next to last toe has some pain undernaeth at the base of the toe due to kicking a brick wall 4 years ago..............not common.
SO, Prolo came through for me 100% without surgery for bad MN with complications and even the complications are almost cleared up because of prolo
I share for those suffering................
Hello Designeer. It is easy to find your popular threads. Simply mouse over your avatar for a list of threads you have contributed to, ranked by popularity. Since the thread has been dormant a while, a primer:
Although I have stated it in previous posts. The link between the "Morton Foot" or "Morton Toe" and the so-called "Morton's Neuroma" is not direct. They are even named for different Mortons in different centuries, Dudley (20th) and Thomas ( G&K, 19th) respectively.
The etiological link between the conditions is assumed to be excess motion or hypermobility, sometimes caused by the Morton Foot structure (hypermobile or short 1st metatarsal bone vs. 2nd) (which I believe you indicated was likely in your case) and a resulting thickening or encasement of intra-metatarsal nerve tissue, or "perineural fibrosis" mistakenly called a "neuroma" by pop med, which may or may not occur, depending on bone shape, characteristics of ligaments and other genetic traits. There have been attempts to link development of "MN" to narrow footwear or raised heels, but these links need further substantiation.
I understand you have had your "MN" condition treated by Prolotherapy.
For those new to this thread, "Prolo" as it is often called, injects various adjuvant solutions into tissues to provoke an inflammatory response from the immune system, the desired result being a toughening or rebuilding of tissue that may have been in disrepair. Prolo's advantage is that it does not depend on random chance or an over-active immune system to accomplish this result. For the chemically averse, even sugar water has been used in Prolo treatments with satisfactory results. The treatment is minimally invasive and relatively inexpensive.
I'll now hand the show back to you...?
Thanks for the help James............I just got back from dancing tonight, very little feeling of the thickened nerve. The biggest solution was healing the dropped metatarsal through prolo, second has been wearing "toe stretchers" (the kind women wear to paint their toes) THEN I found socks that spread your toes at night from smartfeet.com which have taken me much further in nerve repair.
BUT FIRST you have to strengthen the ligament that allow your toes to cross over like in a 45 degree angle and gring your nerve...........I did not use the stretchers for a couple years because I wanted the ligaments to become shorter with prolo. When I felt thay wer strong enough, I could now pull my toes apart just enough at night to allow more bllo circulation to shrink the nerve and it is doing just that................THANK YOU DR. HAUSER OF CARING MEDICAL. The most effective of 3 prolotherapists I tried.
Hope this helps people.....I am not paid to say what I said