Mar 28, 2012 12:07 PM
Holy crap I signed up for a marathon!! If you have advice, I'd love to hear it :)
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January 1st I made a secret little promise, resolution, idea,whatever you'd like to call it to myself..2012 was the the year I was going to shoot for 26.2... Rewind five years ago from January 2007 when my resolution was everyone else's: to join a gym and get healthy. I will never forget getting on the elliptical for the first time. After three minutes I thought I was going to DIE. I was only 25. But I stuck with it, and watched the majority of the resolution crowd dwindle down to an empty gym by March.
This past Sunday, I realized while doing my 15 miler that it was much easier than the first time I stepped foot on that elliptical. It was then that I said to myself, what the hell, maybe I CAN do a marathon. I won't know if I don't at least sign up.
In the past five years a lot has changed. I've given life to two beautiful boys and my 2007 resolution turned into a total lifestyle change. I have done everything from 5ks to HM's and Im hoping this is the right choice, to make it to the next level.I'm in week 10 of training with Hal Higdons novice 2 plan and on track for Vermont City Marathon on May 27th. I can honestly say the idea of it scares me more than childbirth!
So if you have any words of wisdom, or advice for the rest of my training, big day, ect. please help me out! Thanks as always ;)
"If you don't run you rust" - Tom Petty
Marathoning is a mental disorder.
Welcome to the club.
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On a serious note. Follow the training plan.
Make practicle adjustments to the plan as life and priorities require
Do not worry about the highs or lows of training. Do not make it more complicated than it has to be.
On race day, trust in the training. Expect to finish the first time, and do not worry about the clock.
Good for you Veggiechick!
I am toying with the idea of a marathon. Like you I've done plenty of 5/10/15k's and will be doing my 3rd half marathon on April 7th.
The full marathon I'm shooting for isn't until November so right now I'm following a run/walk program I found on-line and if I can do it (on my own) under 6 hours then I will sign up for it come registration time. I won't worry about my time but I definitely don't want to be last. My worst nightmare is the pacer coming up behind me in any of these races and telling me to get off the course becuase they have to open the streets for traffic.
Good luck and have fun. You're gonna rock it!!! ![]()
Looking forward to this: http://www.hotchocolate15k.com/sandiego/
First off... you are on a good start. I have used Hal Higdon's training before and have had good results. I have completed 2 marathons - still have some work to go, but...each one gets better.
Some tips I have found - some of them come from others and Hal Higdon
1) On one of your long runs - do everything like you will during the race. Put everything out the night before. If possible, try to time it with food and use the same fluids and gels that you will during the race.
2) Piggybacking on that last one - know what the course will provide.... Will it provide gels? Where are the fluid stations? If the things provided are not going to work for you, bring stuff with you.
3) I would check out the course ahead of time. Know where the hills are and where things might give you trouble. If possible, run part of the course. The more familiar you are with the course, the less stress there will be race day.
4) Give yourself more time than you think for getting to the race. Personally, my 2 - I have shown up at 5:30 for a 7:30 race start. It gives me time to stretch, be ready and have time to make sure I have everything. Unless you know the race and parking, etc... It will allow you to avoid issues.
5) Get enough sleep the night before and realistically..... Have fun! Enjoy the run, take it easy and if you are feeling good at the 20 mile mark - pick up the pace.
I am sure there are more, but it is late and I cannot think. I hope I did not skip around too much.
Good luck!
My race times (2012)
Race Schedule for the year:
May 6th Frederick Running Festival 1/2 Marathon
May 28th Run through the Park, Ligonier 5k
August Tentative - 5 miler in Chambersburg, PA
October Baltimore Running Festival Marathon (also the 2nd part of the MD Double challenge)
Personal Best :
5K : 28:32 Run through the Park, Ligonier PA
5mile : TBA- Marine Corp 5 Miler in August, Chambersburg PA
10mile : 1:44:52 Cherry Blossum Festival Run, Washington DC
Marathon : 5:01:22 Akron Marathon
Thanks, everyone!
I am thinking about picking up Hal Higdon's Marathon book to read. I like to plan things as much as possible.
Just wondering if and when you guys schedule sports/deep tissue massages during training? My mid right side of my back is tight. I think I'd rather get a massage than adjusted, as last month when I went to the chiropractor, I was going as "maitenance" feeling fine, then got aches and pains after.
Ps..Eric, I wish I could see/run part of the course but it is four hours away :( I am trying to match the elevation chart in training runs as best to my ability. Everyone has talked about the dreaded "assault on Battery" hill at mile 15 (Vermont City Marathon).
My pace for my last half marathon 3 weeks ago was 8:47 per mile, finishing in 1:55:15. I was giving it my best effort. To be honest, I DON'T want to feel that racing,"state of panic" style running for the marathon. I want to enjoy it. So do you think a pace of 9:47 is what I should be shooting for??
"If you don't run you rust" - Tom Petty
Glad you committed, you have been thinking about it for a while. Here is a quote I like. "There will be days that you don't know if you can run a marathon...but there will be a life time of knowing that yu have. Marathons are all different, but each time you cross that finish line, you hunger for the next one...it's a great feeling of accomplishment! Good luck
It sounds like you are well on track for a successful marathon. Best of luck!
I trained with Higdon's Novice 2 program for my first marathon in 2009. Higdon's programs have an excellent reputation which is, in my opinion, well deserved. The program indeed got me to the start line healthy, and to the finish line physically and mentally intact. As for a few specific words of wisdom, since it was my first marathon:
"...I've learned that you shouldn't compare yourself to the best others can do, but to the best you can do....I've learned that you can keep going long after you think you can't..." --- author unknown
2013 highlights...
@ 5K: Ontario Mills 5K, Ontario, CA, 24:42
Heart of the City Run, Los Angeles, CA, 24:13
Bruin 5K Run at UCLA, Westwood, CA, 24:54
@ 10K: LA Chinatown Firecracker 10K, Los Angeles, CA, 51:42
The Great Race - Old Agoura 10K, Agoura Hills, CA, 51:12
Was that 1:55 on a flat course? Tradition is to double that and add 15 minutes. Given that it's your first and there are some hills, starting at 9:45 to 10:00 pace might be a good way to go. Remember, the halfway point of the marathon is at 20 miles. So start easy, and give yourself at least 10 - 12 miles to get used to the idea. Going out too fast will kill your legs later. Your first goal, of course, is to finish, and let the time take care of itself. (I hope I didn't throw too many cliches in there.)
So yes, mile 15 has a hill. But if it were at mile 2 or 3, you would take little notice. The rise is maybe 125 feet over that mile - not really that much. Try to add hill repeats to one of your workouts, every 7 to 10 days. That should help.
The parking situation is pretty good, if I remember, with some municipal lots/garages open. I parked on the street maybe 5 or 6 blocks from the start, beacause I wanted to go back to my room after my relay leg. (So I could shower and change and get back for the finish.)
Len
Len
Thanks guys...
CRL, I noticed you said you did a 20 and 21 miler in training. Hal only calls for one 20 miler in the plan I'm using. Should I bump up the 19 miler to at least another 20? Any google searches I've done on the subject seem to say that the risks outweigh the benefits, but I'm thinking, what's the harm in just one more mile? My training runs are always a little over the prescribed distance anyways. I use mapmyrun.com and it's hard to get it right smack on the nose to a perfect round number, I'd rather be .25 miles over than under.
Len, do you think it's bad that my long training runs now seem to all be around 9:45-10:00 miles? I don't have a good watch, so I don't know my splits. But yesterday, when I calculated start to finish it was about 2:50 for 17 miles. I felt SLOW. It was miserably cold with freezing rain the majority of the run too so maybe that's why it was so horrible. I did add a really big hill in around mile 11. So, even though I felt like I was going super slow, my legs are sore this am and they stiffened up badly after the run. Mentally I don't think I can see anything slower on the clock than 9:59 per mile...am I setting myself up for a recipe for disaster?! I just can't seem to understand why you have to run slower than MP if I'm content with running slow for the marathon itself, just to enjoy this one. Make any sense?
Thanks as always! Have a great Sunday!
Linda
"If you don't run you rust" - Tom Petty
I should have added to the above, Len, to answer your question...the 1:55:15 HM had a lot of flat miles in it but with a significant hill at mile 5 then 3 more good sized ones in the last 3 miles. HalfofQuincy.com ...my hometown but an excellent early spring HM that has tripled in size the past 3 years. Any out of towers I talked to loved the course, thought it was very scenic and covers historic sights. Two thumbs up!
"If you don't run you rust" - Tom Petty
Long run pace is always controversial. One idea is supposed to be that your 20-miler time approaches the time you expect for the marathon. I honestly don't know how much sense that makes. Another is that your long run shouldn't leave you so tired/sore that you have a hard time doing the rest of your weekly workouts. This one definitely makes sense.
So if you're having no trouble completing the rest of your workouts between long runs, then your long run pace should be OK. Another thing you might try, if you're feeling good enough on your next long run, is to pick up the pace a little for (about) the last 4 miles (maybe 15/20 secs./mile). I don't recommend doing it for every long run. But it will give you a pretty good idea of how you would feel doing a faster pace.
I think stretching the 19 to 20 would be OK as long as you're feeling good. Like you said, it's only one mile (either way you look at it).
Still, start the marathon conservatively. Doubling your half time and adding 15 minutes puts you around 9:25 pace for the marathon. Starting around 9:45 leaves you short of that pace but will hopefully keep you from slamming feet-first into "the wall" at 20. And you'll feel comfortable for the last 6.2.
Len
Len
As a first-time marathoner, I intentionally pushed the distance of the two longest runs a bit, because I wanted to experience what the Wall might feel like. So I ran 20 instead of 19, and 21.7 instead of 20. Why 21.7? That's exactly 7 laps around the Rose Bowl, which is the flattest ground anywhere near my house. (The marathon course was also quite flat). As luck would have it, I did not hit the Wall in either of those long runs, and the 21.7 mi gave me a little more confidence that I could complete 26.2. This was the only race I've ever done where I did not run the full distance in training.
"...I've learned that you shouldn't compare yourself to the best others can do, but to the best you can do....I've learned that you can keep going long after you think you can't..." --- author unknown
2013 highlights...
@ 5K: Ontario Mills 5K, Ontario, CA, 24:42
Heart of the City Run, Los Angeles, CA, 24:13
Bruin 5K Run at UCLA, Westwood, CA, 24:54
@ 10K: LA Chinatown Firecracker 10K, Los Angeles, CA, 51:42
The Great Race - Old Agoura 10K, Agoura Hills, CA, 51:12
Thanks again guys for the informative and helpful replies...so nice of you to help me out, so THANKS!
I was looking at the VCM website and it looks like they actually have shuttle buses that go from the popular hotels in the area to pick up runners. Maybe all races do this, but either way, how fantastic is that?! I won't have to depend on my family in the am which will make life A LOT!!
So far I am checking in a day before the race...wondering if I should check in two days before to settle in? It's a four hour drive.
Never being to Vermont, I'm wondering if I should stay a couple days after the race? I'm not sure what to expect as far as how I will feel either. How's Burlington for hanging around,Len?
Planning my five miler this am with my weight training after...now I am into my longest set of short runs...hope the weight training doesn't suffer too much! Thanks again guys!
"If you don't run you rust" - Tom Petty
Getting there Friday would be good because it gives you a stress-free Saturday. I drove up Friday afternoon and left late Sunday afternoon. I also have a runner friend who lives a few miles away with her husband (sometimes on Active as Dutch Omi). She's the one who talked me into running the relay. (She tried to get me up there again this year but it didn't work out.) I know there is a nice, walkable "outdoor mall" in the middle of town. Also you're right on Lake Champlain if you like boating or want to take a lake cruise. The race website also has a "area & spectator guide" section which includes "things to do". It honestly seems more like a town you would like to live in than a tourist destination.
Len
Len
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