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4 Replies Last post: Jul 4, 2006 1:02 PM by nycrunnr  
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Jun 29, 2006 7:43 PM

What's Right?

Hi,
Thanks for the help in advance! A couple of weeks ago I posted here because I was contemplating switching from a low carb diet to a more balanced way of eating because I am about to start training for a marathon. I have to confess that I am worried about my weight because I do feel better running when I am a bit leaner. I've added carbs, but I am now struggling with moderation and figuring out what's good and how many calories I actually need. I am 5'3, medium build, and since I started adding carbs my weight has gone from about 110lbs. to 114lbs. It doesn't sound like a lot, but I feel heavier and I'm certain that some mornings I weigh more than 114, but I tend to weigh myself after running.

I guess what I'm getting at is, maybe that's normal, but I don't know? About how many calories per day should I be eating? I am running about 35 miles per week at this point, but will be training for 18 weeks. I also don't really know how many carbs and how much fat and protein I should take in. I read a Nancy Clark about nutrition and marathon running, but she doesn't get very specific and I could really use some advice, especially from other women runners that eat a balanced diet of carbs and protein. I really do not want to follow a low carb diet during my training, but I would like to stay lean and not gain. Please share any thoughs or experiences. I would really appreciate it!!!
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1. Dec 21, 2007 7:28 PM in response to: nycrunnr
Re: What's Right?
I understand the struggle with changing your diet significantly to incorporate your training. I am training for a HM (so congrats on training for a full marathon!) and up until a couple of weeks ago I was vegetarian. Because I have some pretty severe food allergies (eggs, tree and ground nuts etc) I realised that I was struggling to get a reasonable amount of protein - and on the recommendation of a nutritionist I've changed my diet to incorporate some chicken and fish.

I am a carb fan (my allergies dictate that!) but I'll try to put my preferences to one side.

However, firstly, stick to it, it's only been two weeks and your body will take time to adjust. My understanding is that very low carb does put your body into 'starvation' mode, so your body may just be holding on hard to the addition of carbs. If yo're really worried, decrease them and then slowly start adding them again at a slower rate. Make sure they're good carbs too.

How much training you're doing will dictate the amount of calories you should eat. As an indication, I try to aim for 1700 - 2000/day, knowing that I will often go over this, and running 32M/week plus 3-4 weights/xtrain session. I'm losing about 1kg every 3 weeks (my BMI is 21.5 so I will increase my calories soon as I don't want to lose a lot more)

I track my food through sparkpeople.com as it helps me measure nutrients and proportions, and FYI protein is approx 90gm/day, carbs 180gm/day, fat 50gm/day. Obviously my diet's a bit screwy because of food allergies.

Finally, I put on approx 30lb a few years ago in a fairly short space of time. This was primarily due to portion control with carbs. I still need to measure pasta and rice before I cook it otherwise I cook too much and eat it all.

Hope this helps for a start



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2. Jul 1, 2006 12:13 AM in response to: nycrunnr
Re: What's Right?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by nycrunnr:
Hi,
Thanks for the help in advance! A couple of weeks ago I posted here because I was contemplating switching from a low carb diet to a more balanced way of eating because I am about to start training for a marathon. I have to confess that I am worried about my weight because I do feel better running when I am a bit leaner. I've added carbs, but I am now struggling with moderation and figuring out what's good and how many calories I actually need. I am 5'3, medium build, and since I started adding carbs my weight has gone from about 110lbs. to 114lbs. It doesn't sound like a lot, but I feel heavier and I'm certain that some mornings I weigh more than 114, but I tend to weigh myself after running.

I guess what I'm getting at is, maybe that's normal, but I don't know? About how many calories per day should I be eating? I am running about 35 miles per week at this point, but will be training for 18 weeks. I also don't really know how many carbs and how much fat and protein I should take in. I read a Nancy Clark about nutrition and marathon running, but she doesn't get very specific and I could really use some advice, especially from other women runners that eat a balanced diet of carbs and protein. I really do not want to follow a low carb diet during my training, but I would like to stay lean and not gain. Please share any thoughs or experiences. I would really appreciate it!!!
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Unless you ate like a pig for two weeks, your 4 lb weight gain is phantom weight. It could be water. It could be a scale error. Or it could be your imagination. Two pounds per week would have required you to eat an EXTRA 1000 calories each and every day for two solid weeks. Only you can say if that was true.

I don't know where the idea comes from that protein has some different effect on weight than carbs. A gram of protein has exactly the same effect on weight as a gram of carbs. Both can be used to create fat equally as well and both can ultimately be used for running energy. Carbs are simply more readily available as running energy.

There is no easy or fixed answer regarding how many calories you need. There are formulae to calculate the basic calories someone your size needs to simply stay alive and healthy. Google Basal Metabolic Rate to get the formula or a site that with a calculator. Add about 400 cal per day for normal activities. More if you are particularly active and less if you have a sedentary job. Add the calories burned in running. About 100 cal per mile or a bit less for a small person. Pace doesn't matter. Add them all up and add about 10% more called the thermic effect of food (energy cost to digest the food) and you get the total.

There's no magic. Ignore all the nonsense about fast or slow metabolism. It is without scientific foundation. Ignore all the nonsense about every person being different. It is true in the sense that every person has a different activity level but all humans require the same energy to live subject only to differences in size and body composition. If you run into someone with a significantly different body temperature, then they may have a different metabolic rate. But they are also probably a different species. Don't try to mate with them.



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3. Jul 1, 2006 1:59 PM in response to: nycrunnr
Re: What's Right?
I have the exact same question. Three years ago I went low carb and lost 80+ pounds....started running, would like to do a HM...and want to train smart without gaining, as I feel better running lighter....