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Click to view agdobson's profile Rookie 7 posts since
Jun 18, 2003

Jul 12, 2006 3:49 PM

Am I starving myself on Weight Watchers?

I've been doing WW for about six months now. I'm 5'7 with a medium frame and currently weigh 164. I've lost 22 pounds so far (about 20 to go) and I'm pretty happy with the results. Lately, though, I've plateaued. I've tried changing things up a bit -- trying new healthy recipes, running, eating more fruits and veggies -- but it's not making much of a difference.

One thing I have noticed, looking back over my progress, is that the weeks when I had my biggest losses were the few weeks when I ate all of my daily, activity, and flex points, and even went over for the week (sometimes by as much as 30 or 40 points!). It made me wonder if maybe I'm not eating enough.

I found the Weight Watchers points formula online. Not counting fat or fiber, 1 point is about 50 calories. Which means that I'm only eating about 1100 calories a day (22 points), with 1750 calories (35 FP) being spread over the week. On average, that's just 1350 calories a day.

From everything I've read about nutrition, I should be eating, at a minimum, 2000 calories a day to maintain my current weight, but I shouldn't drop below 1500-1800 to lose weight (not counting what I would burn through exercise).

Any thoughts?
Click to view Colormepink's profile Pro 130 posts since
Mar 9, 2006
1. Jul 12, 2006 4:29 PM in response to: agdobson
Most of the women I know on WW'ers eat all their daily pts, all the APS and the flex pts. You said that works for you so don't skimp on them. Use them that is what they are there for. Also we don't count calories just pts it's less confusing. Do one or the other. 1pt can equal a wide variety of cal. based on the fat or fiber content. Most of my 1pt items are 110 calories( just an example). Make sure your calculating your activity pts correctly. You might be cutting yourself short and not realizing it. I did that a lot. If your running figure you've burned about 100 cal. per mile and add in the food you need based on that. Sometimes plateaues go away on their own. Hang in there. You can try Core plan for a week or two. Sometimes that is enough to get things moving again. Make sure your eating all the healthy guidelines in your book.

If your eating all the pts you mentioned and are calculating your pts properly you shouldn't be hungry. Sit down w/ your leader and make sure your doing things right. Good luck.
Click to view mountainlake's profile Pro 74 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
2. Dec 21, 2007 7:49 PM in response to: agdobson
Colormepink is correct - you normally are not eating a 50 calorie point unless you are eating very high fat, low fiber foods. You theoretically could eat over 2000 calories a day, and use only 22 points.

If you are really worried, you can always eat what you would normally eat (counting points) and also track calories. I found that I was eating 1600-1700 calories a day (not including when I ate activity points).

If you found that eating all your flex points and activity points works for you, then do that! Simple as can be!

The other thing with plateaus is that sometimes you need to shake up your routine to get out of them. If you normally eat high carb, try high protein (or vice versa). Change your exercise routine. Add strength training. Do something different.

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Click to view aka290's profile Rookie 2 posts since
Jul 9, 2006
3. Jul 22, 2006 2:44 AM in response to: agdobson
I follow ww and also wonder if I am eating enough. I plugged in my food into a computer program the other day and had only eaten 956 calories and had no points left for the day!
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May 11, 2003
4. Jul 22, 2006 4:17 AM in response to: agdobson
I'm not going to diss WW because I know it's worked for lots of people - but sheesh 1200 cals/day?? To me, that seems like complete and utter torture, I love good food! More importantly, I love what that good food lets me do.

I think your logic of 2000 cal/day to maintain is probably pretty sound - it depends how much you're exercising too. If you're exercising a lot, at some point you might find you need to shift your focus to fueling your exercise as a priority.

Absolutely agree about shaking up your routine too.
Click to view twinmomrunner045's profile Pro 133 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. Jul 22, 2006 7:10 AM in response to: agdobson
I had the same experience with WW. It seemed the more I ate, the more I lost. Especially if you are doing a lot of mileage, you are likely burning more calories than you get in exercise points in return.

Eventually I gave up and started counting calories--easier, and less frustrating.

Good luck whatever!
Click to view marketwatcher's profile Pro 65 posts since
Nov 6, 2007
6. Jul 22, 2006 1:33 PM in response to: agdobson
quote:<HR>Originally posted by agdobson:


From everything I've read about nutrition, I should be eating, at a minimum, 2000 calories a day to maintain my current weight, but I shouldn't drop below 1500-1800 to lose weight (not counting what I would burn through exercise).

Any thoughts?
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That sounds absolutely correct. The 2,000/day would include the 1,600 or so you need just to maintain normal body functions (i.e. if you did nothing but sleep all day) plus an extra 400 for whatever daily activities you do (work, etc.). I think should try to burn 250-300 through exercise and then consume about 1,800/day. The emphasis here is on exercise. And remember, as you lose weight, you'll have to lower your caloric intake. A lot of people forget that! I weigh about 113 and I can't live on less than 1,800/day and I need more when I'm in heavy exercise mode (I can easily burn 600/day).

I don't know much about how WW works, but I haven't been impressed with what I've read. I know they want to keep people in the program (after all, they are out to make money), but they really should teach people the basics about nutrition and calories. The "point" system sounds way too vague. Our bodies don't care about "points", they care about calories. WW clients should be taught about the caloric value of foods -- the "point" system just isn't granular enough. The "activity points" are even worse!! I use a heart rate monitor with calorie counter to determine how many calories I burn. It is much more individualized. I track my calories on Fitday. I think it's great that you looked up the caloric equivalents to the WW points! What an eye opener!

WW should concentrate on empowering their clients to understand nutrition, exercise, etc. Sometimes I don't think their leaders know what they're doing. How qualified are these people? Take a couple of hours and read the nutrition, diet and exercise information on www.howstuffworks.com[/URL" target="_blank"> and you can probably learn a lot more than WW teaches you. The don't really seem to give people the tools they need or teach them the principles of nutrition and exercise that will help them make lifelong changes. I guess it's more of a "diet" program?

They have WW groups where I work, but they don't work for most people, from what I've seen, because they're not ready to make real life long changes (like exercising more). I think WW may be good for people who are really obese or have no clue where to start, but at some point clients should become educated and empowered enough that they can be weaned off the WW system.

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Click to view Charles Chappell's profile Rookie 1 posts since
Aug 2, 2006
7. Aug 2, 2006 3:43 PM in response to: agdobson
I agree with the recent posts. I don't know how much you run, but it may be that you are running enough to substantially boost your base metabolism (i.e., your metabolism even when you are sleeping), provided you are eating enough. However, if, compared to how much fuel your body "wants," you're starving it, your body may react the other way, slowing metabolism -- and making it more difficult to progress with your weight.

My own experience strongly suggests that the effect of running a lot -- perhaps 20 miles or more per week? -- on your base metabolism may not be captured by the WW activity points system. When I was using the system a few years ago, I had a daily points target of 25, yet after ramping up my running to train for a 10K, I found I needed more food -- and not just a little more. Specifically, I found, after trial and error, that I needed about 42 points per day -- and that's even when I banked points for activity.

Trial and error is what I recommend -- find what works best for you. Good luck and happy running!

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Jul 13, 2005
8. Aug 2, 2006 5:13 PM in response to: agdobson
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Flyweight:
I don't know much about how WW works, but I haven't been impressed with what I've read. I know they want to keep people in the program (after all, they are out to make money), but they really should teach people the basics about nutrition and calories. The "point" system sounds way too vague. Our bodies don't care about "points", they care about calories. WW clients should be taught about the caloric value of foods -- the "point" system just isn't granular enough. The "activity points" are even worse!! I use a heart rate monitor with calorie counter to determine how many calories I burn. It is much more individualized. I track my calories on Fitday. I think it's great that you looked up the caloric equivalents to the WW points! What an eye opener!

WW should concentrate on empowering their clients to understand nutrition, exercise, etc. Sometimes I don't think their leaders know what they're doing. How qualified are these people? Take a couple of hours and read the nutrition, diet and exercise information on www.howstuffworks.com[/URL" target="_blank"> and you can probably learn a lot more than WW teaches you. The don't really seem to give people the tools they need or teach them the principles of nutrition and exercise that will help them make lifelong changes. I guess it's more of a "diet" program?

They have WW groups where I work, but they don't work for most people, from what I've seen, because they're not ready to make real life long changes (like exercising more). I think WW may be good for people who are really obese or have no clue where to start, but at some point clients should become educated and empowered enough that they can be weaned off the WW system.
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Perhaps you should attend a couple of meetings or go through some literature before making these assumptions. A good WW group will teach it's members about calories (you cannot figure the points value of a food without knowing the calories) and about nutrition. And no system is going to work for people that aren't ready to make real life long changes.


ag - I've seen several people on WW plateau and the advice already posted is good. Shake up your diet a bit. Eat all your points....I rarely lose weight when I don't. Shake up your exercise routine as well. At your next meeting, ask a question about plateaus...there are probably some Lifetime members and other participants that have some good ideas and suggestions. Use those people as a resource...they've been there!
Click to view muzicgrl's profile Legend 220 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Aug 3, 2006 4:56 PM in response to: agdobson
The key is to look at the quality of the foods that you are eating. You can use up all your points and not eat enough enough food very easily by eating too much junk food (a few candy bars could use of the majority of your points for the day). Not that you are necessarily doing that but it becomes really easy to stretch what you are eating the longer you have been on WW. I too have had some of my biggest losses when I ate the most, but those losses would not have happened if I had always ate that much. You just need to keep changing things up. Plus plateaus are completely normal, everyone has them. Just keep doing what you are doing (maybe switch it up a little) and you will eventually begin to lose weight again.


Flyweight: I couldn't disagree with you more about WW. There is a wide range of people participating from those who know very little about nutrition to those that know exactly which foods to eat. The idea is about portion control. Most Americans eat way too much food, even when they are eating good healthy foods. Weight watchers works for ANYONE who is willing to put in the commitment and I know many people who have lost and kept off large amounts of weight by following WW. I second melitoo that you need to actually try something and find out more about it before you make snap judgements. WW is not a diet...it is a healthy way to live your life. Points seem restrictive until you realize that all the good healthy lean and whole grain foods are low in points. I personally dont use activity points but they are caculated based upon time and exertion and there is a relatively low limit to how many you can earn. I am not dumb or "very obese" and I know quite a bit about nutrition (I did manage to earn both a bachelors and masters in biology), but weight watchers still managed to help me. You might want to open up your mind and not be so judgemental when you havent tried something. My buddy that I attend meetings with doesn't even have any weight to lose and constantly gets harassed by others for going, but she always just tells them that it reminders her to be healthy and she feels better when she is following WW, even though she rarely loses any weight.