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69 Replies Last post: Aug 13, 2006 9:56 PM by Colormepink   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 5 Previous Next
Click to view Quinny087's profile Amateur 26 posts since
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46. Aug 4, 2006 2:32 PM in response to: Colormepink
Re: Need encouragement.
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Colormepink:
I went to Brothers Pizza w/ my family. I never eat the stuff. I had 2 mozzerella sticks, 1 onion ring, Buffalo chicken saladHUGE, fries, double scoop icecream cone later, NEVER eat reg. icecream, some pretzels and 2 pop tarts before bed. NEVER eat those BAD things either. Before you judge. I was good. I did not purge. NO I will suffer the consequences of the weight gain for my poor behaviour. ... I will eat more like a normal human being today and try not to lose control. Some good news is the woman who did a questionaire w/ me for counseling on the phone said it sounds like I still eat enough to get proper nutritioin. That made me happy. Unfortunately it also made me feel like I don't need the counseling then b/c I've got things under control.

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Oh pink, this is the dialogue i hope you can start to work on in your mind. there are no "good foods" and "bad foods." that's the ED talking. and you didn't have "poor behavior." please tell yourself this: what i eat and when i eat is no reflection of good or bad behavior. nor is it a reflection of how in control i am. it is only what i ate. that's all. nothing more.

this will take a long time to really ingrain, but its great that your family is there for you. also, great job on seeking out counseling, and don't listen to the voice that says that things are "under control." that is most certainly also the ED talking. a good counselor will help you start sorting out your own voice from the voice of the ED. soget help...keep up all your good work...and don't lose hope.

i wish you all the best, but understand that the journey to where you want to be is LONG. probalby years...so be patient, never lose your willingness to change, to let go, to let God. and keep working on those baby steps.
Click to view LifeIsAMarathon079's profile Amateur 20 posts since
Jul 28, 2006
47. Aug 4, 2006 3:31 PM in response to: Colormepink
Re: Need encouragement.
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Quinny:
Oh pink, this is the dialogue i hope you can start to work on in your mind. there are no "good foods" and "bad foods." that's the ED talking. and you didn't have "poor behavior." please tell yourself this: what i eat and when i eat is no reflection of good or bad behavior. nor is it a reflection of how in control i am. it is only what i ate. that's all. nothing more.

this will take a long time to really ingrain, but its great that your family is there for you. also, great job on seeking out counseling, and don't listen to the voice that says that things are "under control." that is most certainly also the ED talking. a good counselor will help you start sorting out your own voice from the voice of the ED. soget help...keep up all your good work...and don't lose hope.

i wish you all the best, but understand that the journey to where you want to be is LONG. probalby years...so be patient, never lose your willingness to change, to let go, to let God. and keep working on those baby steps.

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1!

Looking at food as something to "control" is one of the major symptoms of ED. Your body knows what it needs if you just listen. It's hard. Years of dieting and controlling means you haven't listened to your body for years. You will swing from one extreme to another. It's really hard to find balance, in life in general. That's why people tend to the extremes -- it's easier to stay at the extremes, the black and whites. But being balanced is such a better way of living life. But trust that eventually it will all balance out. It takes a LOT of faith -- not just faith in God, but faith in YOURSELF that your body knows what it needs.

Changes in weight is not good or bad. It's just something that happens. It's just what it is. It's like shoe size. Do you think less or more of yourself because you don't wear the same size shoe as Cameron Diaz? Would any one think any less or more of you because you weighed differently? No. (And if someone does, that someone has body-image issues of his/her own!) Your family loves you no matter what you weigh. I know it's hard to believe. It was hard to believe for me too. But try it. They really do still love you no matter what!

Pink, I feel so much pain in your posts. It reminds me of all the struggles I went through. I am a head-first into anything sort of person. So it was only a few weeks into my counseling, I decided to throw away the diets and let myself eat whatever I wanted. My counselor wasn't pushing me into it. But I decided if the eventual goal is for me not to label foods and deprive myself anymore, then why not do it now? Let me tell you, I raided the bakery section at local grocery stores everyday and literally ate pies and cakes for about 2 months straight. It was horrible for my health, I'm sure. I could feel all the sugar rushing to my head and making me feel sick. And I gained weight beyond what I was comfortable with, to be sure. But you know what? After 2 months of eating whatever the **** I wanted, I discovered that I really didn't like a lot of the things I thought I liked. It was all the rules and deprivation talking! I also discovered that my body does tell me when to stop -- I can feel when if I ate another bite, I would be too full to be comfortable, or to have a sugar headache. I do know when to stop. I don't need to count calories or servings or have some diet plan to tell me when to stop. How liberating!!!!

I don't want to give the impression that 2 months is all it takes. In fact, it took much longer than that to really find a balance in my diet. Even after I laid off on the cakes and pies, it took a while for me to figure out how to treat food in a more balanced way. Fast forward to two years later, I finally have a balanced, healthy diet all on my own, without rules or diet plans. I eat vegetables because I know they're good for me, because I know I feel better when I eat enough vegetables in a day. I don't eat too much sweets because they tend to make me feel groggy. But I have my share when I feel like it -- and I enjoy every bite. I eat when I'm hungry, and stop when I'm full. It really can be simple like that. But it takes a lot of work -- work to learn how to let your body talk to you. I'm at a higher weight than I was before seeking treatment. But you know what, I've become comfortable with that! I was so scared to see friends that I haven't seen in a while after gaining weight, because of what they might say or think of me. I literally thought they wouldn't like me anymore because I've gained weight. I was afraid to see my own mother for crying out loud! But you know what I found out? I saw my friends and my mother, and I realized they still love me, and they love me not because what I weighed, but because I'm a funny, caring person, because I make them laugh, I listen to them, and I offer them support.

Beating ED is very hard, especially when there's so much disordered thinking around you from people who don't even realize they have it! Pat yourself on the back for even admitting you have a problem! You are so much farther ahead than people who're still trying to get rid of that last 5 lb -- who cares??? What difference does it make? Would it make people love you more? Would it make your life better? Would it elevate your career? No. It's all an illusion. Eating is just something we "control" because everything else in life is so much harder to control. It really shouldn't be that way.

Anyway. I'm rambling and sharing because I really feel for you. I don't have children. But one of the reasons I decided to seek help is that I wanted to be healthy before I have children! I wanted to bring them up in a healthy environment. I'm glad you're seeking help. And remember this -- it's OKAY to not succeed at first. Or at second. Or for a long time. It is OKAY. It's also okay to admit that you're not succeeding. It's liberating to share your failures with people. Nobody is perfect. Nobody. Everybody has their own struggles. I didn't realize that until I started sharing my struggles with people, and they started opening up to me, as well. It made me realize that most people pretend to be perfect because they think everyone else is. What a silly little game. So share your struggles. It's so much better to not pretend anymore. And I personally think letting people in on my struggles have made me a better friend -- my friends now feel free to not be "perfect" in front of me. It will be hard. You might relapse. But get back on the wagon when you realize you have fallen off the wagon again.

Best of luck.
Click to view graingirl's profile Legend 272 posts since
Jul 20, 2001
48. Aug 4, 2006 4:59 PM in response to: Colormepink
Re: Need encouragement.
quote:<HR>Originally posted by LifeIsAMarathon:
1!

Looking at food as something to "control" is one of the major symptoms of ED. Your body knows what it needs if you just listen. It's hard. Years of dieting and controlling means you haven't listened to your body for years. You will swing from one extreme to another. It's really hard to find balance, in life in general. That's why people tend to the extremes -- it's easier to stay at the extremes, the black and whites. But being balanced is such a better way of living life. But trust that eventually it will all balance out. It takes a LOT of faith -- not just faith in God, but faith in YOURSELF that your body knows what it needs.

Changes in weight is not good or bad. It's just something that happens. It's just what it is. It's like shoe size. Do you think less or more of yourself because you don't wear the same size shoe as Cameron Diaz? Would any one think any less or more of you because you weighed differently? No. (And if someone does, that someone has body-image issues of his/her own!) Your family loves you no matter what you weigh. I know it's hard to believe. It was hard to believe for me too. But try it. They really do still love you no matter what!

Pink, I feel so much pain in your posts. It reminds me of all the struggles I went through. I am a head-first into anything sort of person. So it was only a few weeks into my counseling, I decided to throw away the diets and let myself eat whatever I wanted. My counselor wasn't pushing me into it. But I decided if the eventual goal is for me not to label foods and deprive myself anymore, then why not do it now? Let me tell you, I raided the bakery section at local grocery stores everyday and literally ate pies and cakes for about 2 months straight. It was horrible for my health, I'm sure. I could feel all the sugar rushing to my head and making me feel sick. And I gained weight beyond what I was comfortable with, to be sure. But you know what? After 2 months of eating whatever the **** I wanted, I discovered that I really didn't like a lot of the things I thought I liked. It was all the rules and deprivation talking! I also discovered that my body does tell me when to stop -- I can feel when if I ate another bite, I would be too full to be comfortable, or to have a sugar headache. I do know when to stop. I don't need to count calories or servings or have some diet plan to tell me when to stop. How liberating!!!!

I don't want to give the impression that 2 months is all it takes. In fact, it took much longer than that to really find a balance in my diet. Even after I laid off on the cakes and pies, it took a while for me to figure out how to treat food in a more balanced way. Fast forward to two years later, I finally have a balanced, healthy diet all on my own, without rules or diet plans. I eat vegetables because I know they're good for me, because I know I feel better when I eat enough vegetables in a day. I don't eat too much sweets because they tend to make me feel groggy. But I have my share when I feel like it -- and I enjoy every bite. I eat when I'm hungry, and stop when I'm full. It really can be simple like that. But it takes a lot of work -- work to learn how to let your body talk to you. I'm at a higher weight than I was before seeking treatment. But you know what, I've become comfortable with that! I was so scared to see friends that I haven't seen in a while after gaining weight, because of what they might say or think of me. I literally thought they wouldn't like me anymore because I've gained weight. I was afraid to see my own mother for crying out loud! But you know what I found out? I saw my friends and my mother, and I realized they still love me, and they love me not because what I weighed, but because I'm a funny, caring person, because I make them laugh, I listen to them, and I offer them support.

Beating ED is very hard, especially when there's so much disordered thinking around you from people who don't even realize they have it! Pat yourself on the back for even admitting you have a problem! You are so much farther ahead than people who're still trying to get rid of that last 5 lb -- who cares??? What difference does it make? Would it make people love you more? Would it make your life better? Would it elevate your career? No. It's all an illusion. Eating is just something we "control" because everything else in life is so much harder to control. It really shouldn't be that way.

Anyway. I'm rambling and sharing because I really feel for you. I don't have children. But one of the reasons I decided to seek help is that I wanted to be healthy before I have children! I wanted to bring them up in a healthy environment. I'm glad you're seeking help. And remember this -- it's OKAY to not succeed at first. Or at second. Or for a long time. It is OKAY. It's also okay to admit that you're not succeeding. It's liberating to share your failures with people. Nobody is perfect. Nobody. Everybody has their own struggles. I didn't realize that until I started sharing my struggles with people, and they started opening up to me, as well. It made me realize that most people pretend to be perfect because they think everyone else is. What a silly little game. So share your struggles. It's so much better to not pretend anymore. And I personally think letting people in on my struggles have made me a better friend -- my friends now feel free to not be "perfect" in front of me. It will be hard. You might relapse. But get back on the wagon when you realize you have fallen off the wagon again.

Best of luck.
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WOW!!! That was the most encouraging thing I have read on this entire post! It is soooo true! Whenever I was trying to maintain some sort of health kick or diet growing up and into my early adult years I would become so uptight about it. My mom used to say, "Oh, it's just food!" I'd always mull that over and say, "Hmmm.... she's right. Why am I so uptight about food?" My mom never concerns herself about what she eats, when she eats, or how much she eats. She's at a fine weight for her frame. Could she be thinner? Probably, but she's not unhealthy or unhappy we're she's at. I do strive to eat healthy and feed my body good things. Not because I feel like I have to or that my identity is tied to it. It's because I choose to. I love the way I feel when I'm eating right. I love not having mood swings or energy swings. I love that my skin is clear, my nails are strong, my hair is shiny. I love that I have energy to exercise and play with my daughter.

Thank you for taking the time to address all of the "what ifs..." that can be so frightening. What if I gain weight? What if my friends and family see me after I gain weight? What if I eat junk food? By processing those thoughts you rid them of their power. If people elect to like you based solely on your weight, perhaps they're not the people you need to be building relationships with and investing in.

Finally, when we're vulnerable and transparent with people, I think it opens up the door for deeper relationships. I know some of my closest friends are those that I've been able to help when they've gone through something difficult and in turn they've been their for me. Loving each other through the hard times of life. Put people over pounds!! Everyone struggles with something, they'd be lying if they said they didn't. So, don't covet what someone else has because you have no idea what they struggle with.

You did such a great job of expressing in words what so often I think, but can't articulate. And, you did it with such loving kindness and sensitivity.
Click to view Iontach's profile Legend 1,522 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
51. Aug 5, 2006 11:43 AM in response to: Colormepink
Re: Need encouragement.
Why do you want to keep Lifetime status for an activity/organization which proved dangerous for you?

The very last thing you need is to be around people who are vocal and enthusiastic about losing weight.

You keep referring to the nutritionist. I think you should consider chalking that one up to experience. Either she didn't have all the facts, or she didn't notice them. I think that her suggestion that you go to WW once a week is very strong evidence that you should disregard what she told you.

By the way - maybe you mentioned it at the time, but was she a dietician? You see, anyone can call hirself a nutritionist, but one needs to be licensed to be a dietician.

Hang in there. You're wonderful.
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Dec 14, 2007
53. Aug 5, 2006 12:14 PM in response to: Colormepink
Re: Need encouragement.
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Colormepink:
I'm already beating myself up for it.

What a B**** I am.

I just feel everyone else is so lucky.
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Beating yourself up is a choice. Stop making that choice. And once you've stopped yourself once, then do it the next time.

You're not a b|tch. You're unhappy. The two are not the same thing.

Lucky? They just seem that way because you don't know what their problems are. There are no normal people: just people you don't know very well.
Click to view LifeIsAMarathon079's profile Amateur 20 posts since
Jul 28, 2006
54. Aug 5, 2006 1:00 PM in response to: Colormepink
Re: Need encouragement.
I'm so glad that you recognized that WW meetings are not good for you! Iontach said a lot of the things I wanted to say. Most "nutritionists" or dietitians are not qualified to deal with people with ED. In fact, I've met a few who have some disordered ways of eating themselves. I highly doubt you don't already know what they have to tell you regarding nutrition.

I think you should let yourself wallow in your own sorrow. If you feel like crying, cry. We're so adamant to be "strong" sometimes that we forget letting ourselves feel sad and down and cry is itself a sign of bravery! It takes a very brave person to confront the fact that you can actually be negatively affected by the world -- that you're not in CONTROL of everything! It takes a lot of guts to admit that to yourself, and still make the best out of life. I was so afraid of letting myself deal with all the sadness and anger because I thought if I actually let myself feel those feelings, I might never stop feeling that way. But experience has proved me wrong. Bottling up those feleings means those feelings never go away, in fact, they boil. But actually dealing with them and feeling them means they actually subside.

You're doing well, Pink. Your life might go up and down for a while, but you're haeding the right way.
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Jun 26, 2006
57. Aug 12, 2006 9:01 AM in response to: Colormepink
Re: Need encouragement.
it's only a week.

you're not going to lose your fitness/gain an inordinate amount of weight in a week.
Click to view LifeIsAMarathon079's profile Amateur 20 posts since
Jul 28, 2006
58. Aug 12, 2006 10:18 AM in response to: Colormepink
Re: Need encouragement.
As long as you look at exercise as a way to "maintain weight", you're already obsessed, or on your way there very fast. Exercise is for health. Health is NOT equal to a certain weight. There is a wide range of weight that can be healthy.

It appears that you're not willing to give up being at a certain weight. It is an understandable mindset for someone in your situation. But you know, your body has a natural place it wants to be in terms of weight. An optimal weight for your body, for your health. And that set point might not be what you think is optimal. That set point also changes as we age. This is a hard thing to accept. But as long as you can't accept your body as it is, you are always exercising for weight, not for health. That, is a bad place to be.

Have you started any individual or group counseling? I don't think the support and help you need is really here on this forum for two reasons: 1) it takes a lot of energy to help people recovering from ED to explore all the psychological issues involved, and a professional knows how to do that without getting emotionally drained himself, and there is no professional here as far as I know. 2) as you can see, a large number of people in this forum are very concerned with weight (not health), and they cannot give you the proper feedback you need. In fact, when I was in the most intense part of my recovery, I decided it was best to not look at this forum, because there are just too many things here that are triggering, sometimes without you even realizing it.

I want to end by saying that good for you for keeping trying to recover. Good job! Weaker people might have given up -- I've seen people who never even realized they have a problem, or decided it's "easier" to live with their porblems. So good job for keeping at it. It'll be really hard. It'll be hard to give up your idea of an ideal weight. It'll be hard to accept your body as it is. In the process of finding what your body really wants to be, your weight might swing -- and that, is very hard to live with. It's all going to be hard. But it really is worth it. So keep at it.