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20399 Views 32 Replies Latest reply: Aug 1, 2013 12:24 PM by DylanHale Go to original post 1 2 3 Previous Next
  • RunForFun001 Pro 626 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    Ok ... Its on big boy ... I have never lost a weight division marathon

     

    running 15 sub 3:00s weighing 205# - 235# PR - 2:45 (205#)

     

    Since you are in CO - Maybe we can settle it at Leadville 100M run next year ???

     

    Hi Sporti

     

    I care about women - But I will let their opinion rule the Athena part of the discussion

     

    For me 200# is Clydesdale - Tall or short - Its not about body fat - Its about the energy and engine it takes to propell that amount of weight a certain speed.

     

    MTP

  • StanleighCO Pro 69 posts since
    Aug 25, 2010

    What part of the Athena or Clydesdale are you misinterpreting fom me?...the classes are determined by weight...not percentage of body fat?





    Stanley (stanleighco1 on Yahoo Messenger)

  • RunForFun001 Pro 626 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    Sorry 1st part - I was having fun with you ... challenging you to a clydesdale marathon ... since we both seem to do well in them.  More being goofy than really challenging you - Although the info about myself is accurate.

     

    Part #2 was answering the origianal question posted - In which we are in agreement - By weight not bodyfat,  Cara (Chicago) has a clydesdale category @ 170 - That's a Joke.  I feel 200# is minimum for Clydesdale.

     

    Sorry if I irritated you - Just having fun!

  • Jasmine1972 Legend 927 posts since
    Sep 24, 2009

    I'm running and still trying to punch below 200# but the going is rough.  I've only entered Athena once, but as an older woman, I think I will stick with my age group, at least until I get down near my goal weight, and drop another 50-60#.  However I do have my goals- I just completed my first HM, and I'm training for two more before I attempt a full marathon. I started 60#'s heavier as a slogger at >20mm pace. My last 5K I finished near 12mm pace.

     

    Anyway, I just wanted to show you this picture. Would you believe that the short, weight challenged woman, and the tall handsome dude both weight the same? He (Matt) regularly runs in the Clydesdale category and often wins, at least in his age group.  Both guys are in my tri-club, and run twice as fast as me, but they are very supportive.  This was the day of my 5K PR- they had just finished Augusta 70.3 (half-ironman) the week before, and had actually come to cheer on two club runners - after their 8 mile early AM workout.

     

    joann w tri buddies toray 5k sm.jpg





    Jo Ann C

    Started Walking 7/15/09 Weight = 265#; C25K Grad 11/6/09

    8/30/09 5K (62:42) 262# 10/2/10 5K (37:44) 206# 3/26/11 5K (36:42) PR 202#

    6/19/10 10K (83:47) 208# 3/6/11 UAH 10K (79:18) 200#

    6/27/10 IronGirl, Atlanta Tri S 1/3m/B 18m/R 3m (2:42:10) 207#; 5/15/11 - (2:34:08 200)#

    9/25/10 Women's HM, Nashville (3:27:10) 209#, 11/13/10 Huntsville HM (3:17:27) 203#

    2/13/11 Mercedes HM, B'ham (3:02:02) 203#; 3/19/11 Rocket 10mi (2:13:37) PR

    4/30/11 RnR HM Nashville (3:10:12); 5/15/11 5/30/11 Cotton Row 10K (84:36) ;

    6/11/11 Mt. Mania 15K (2:17:12); 7/16/11 Wet Dog Tri (98:56);

    8/13/11 Mtn Lakes Tri; (2:13:32); 8/28 Rocketman Oly Tri; 9/10 Frantic Frog Tri (1:52:35)

    9/24/11 Womens HM (2:54:28) 195# PR; 10/1 Toray 5K (35:35 PR);

    10/15/11 Liz Hurley 5K (36:24); 10/22 Book-it 10K (74:51 PR) 197#;
    11/12/11 Huntsville HM - Target 2:50

  • MikeLAdams Rookie 3 posts since
    Oct 10, 2010

    When I first heard of a Clydsdale category, I was thinking about competing in Mtn. Bike races.  The term was not meant for overweight people but for larger / heavier riders.  That was more than a decade ago and today I'm more than 60lbs over weight.  I started running in May when my local weight watchers group hosted a 5k run.  At the time, I was closer to 85 lbs over weight.  I have since run two 5k races and a 10k race on our local ski hill.  I was glad not to be last in the 10k.  If there were a Clydsdale category, I'd probably join it at least until I'm down to around 200 lbs.

     

     

    I'm not offended by the name but rather more embarrassed by the photos of me running.  I am often surprised that someone with that much fat could actually run 6 miles.

  • StanleighCO Pro 69 posts since
    Aug 25, 2010

    Do you actually know what you're getting into? The Leadville 100 is a 100 mile trail race which means it goes through hill and dale through streams. You have timed checkpoints and if you not to them by a designated time...you're out of the race. I have a former co-worker who is/was an ultra marathoner and she in her lean mass hasn't completed the race (of late). Maybe when she was in her lower 40's.

     

    Just a head's up to get yours where it should be.





    Stanley (stanleighco1 on Yahoo Messenger)

  • RunForFun001 Pro 626 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    Yes

     

    Leadville is much less technical trail running than many of the 100M races

     

    Its elevation change is nothing special

     

    But the elevation that the race takes place at 10,000-14,000 feet is the real challenge.

     

    I have run shorter trail races (50 milers) with lots of elevation change (> 10,000 feet)

     

    I have also run timed races where I have went further (147 miles / 154 miles) in 24 hours

     

    But this will be my 1st 100M trail race - I signed up yesterday.  I have my pacer lined up.  I have the worlds best crew - My Wife. (Note usually family makes a bad crew - But she does not mind seeing me suffer)

     

    It's gonna be fun!

     

    PS - I think you are assuming that because an athelete is a Clydesdale that he/she can not be competitive - I am running Leadville for fun, not as a goal race.  The only way I will not finish well under any cut-off is if I get hit hard by altitute sickness, or if I get injured for the race.  I typically run 5,000-6,000 miles per year, so the 100M distance is not really an issue.

     

    I am not sure what your friends situation is, but skinny does not = high level of aerobic fitness.  Skinny also does not = fast.

  • emmaleigh47 Pro 174 posts since
    Jun 24, 2010

    I have only entered one race with an Athena division, but it was my best finish my far. I actually came in 6th (and this is from someone who usually comes in at the back of my age group).

    I have one complaint about the Athena division ... I kinda wish there was another division with even higher weight. The girl who won the Athena division at my race was TINY... and I am over 240# just not quite the same thing.

     

    But then again ... I dont enter races to win (haha if I did I would have quit a LOOONG time ago). I enter races to get challenge myself, give myself something to work on, and something to work towards!





    Started: July 2010 at 273#

    Fox Cities 5K on 9/17: 45:19 (264#)

    Shake a Tail Feather 5K on 10/16: 45:09 (254#)

    Hope Run for Africa 5K on 10/23: 42:45 (248#)

    Jingle Bell Run 5K on 11/6/10: 44:20 (248#)

    Turkey Trot 5 mile on 11/25/10: (246#)

    Miami ING Half Marathon 3:23:56

    Oshkosh Half Marathon 3:16:38 (PR)

    Cellcom Half Marathon in GB (horridly windy race) 3:21:56 (244#)

  • Jasmine1972 Legend 927 posts since
    Sep 24, 2009

    I totally agree with you about a 2nd wt category for Athena - call us ladies over 200#: Amazons!! LOL

    According to the BMI formula, for my height, at 140# I would still be in the "Normal" range, not even overweight.  It just tells you what the societal standards for an acceptable female weight.





    Jo Ann C

    Started Walking 7/15/09 Weight = 265#; C25K Grad 11/6/09

    8/30/09 5K (62:42) 262# 10/2/10 5K (37:44) 206# 3/26/11 5K (36:42) PR 202#

    6/19/10 10K (83:47) 208# 3/6/11 UAH 10K (79:18) 200#

    6/27/10 IronGirl, Atlanta Tri S 1/3m/B 18m/R 3m (2:42:10) 207#; 5/15/11 - (2:34:08 200)#

    9/25/10 Women's HM, Nashville (3:27:10) 209#, 11/13/10 Huntsville HM (3:17:27) 203#

    2/13/11 Mercedes HM, B'ham (3:02:02) 203#; 3/19/11 Rocket 10mi (2:13:37) PR

    4/30/11 RnR HM Nashville (3:10:12); 5/15/11 5/30/11 Cotton Row 10K (84:36) ;

    6/11/11 Mt. Mania 15K (2:17:12); 7/16/11 Wet Dog Tri (98:56);

    8/13/11 Mtn Lakes Tri; (2:13:32); 8/28 Rocketman Oly Tri; 9/10 Frantic Frog Tri (1:52:35)

    9/24/11 Womens HM (2:54:28) 195# PR; 10/1 Toray 5K (35:35 PR);

    10/15/11 Liz Hurley 5K (36:24); 10/22 Book-it 10K (74:51 PR) 197#;
    11/12/11 Huntsville HM - Target 2:50

  • FightForFit Rookie 5 posts since
    Aug 9, 2011

    I will be racing in my first race with a clydesdale division on Sunday. This race has two categories for men 185-199 & 200+, and two categories for women 140-159, and 160+. I am 5'9" and 147, so I qualify as a clydesdale and will run in that category. As someone who used to row crew as a heavyweight/open, I can deal with the unflattering name. I too was confused at first since I am well within my healthy BMI, but then I thought of crew and how they divided up the categories to even out the competition. Light rowers are generally at a disadvantage because they don't have the same muscle mass. Heavy runners are at a disadvantage because they need to move more weight. I am curious to see how competitive I am compared to heavier runners in my age group.

  • Jessica Reno Amateur 10 posts since
    May 7, 2009

    I've never heard of this!  They definitely don't have those categories in my area. I'm a female, 5'11" and 225# and can honestly say if I were in the 140-159 weight range I would be a STICK!  I do know that as I lose weight my times are getting faster.  And I wouldn't mind being in the heavier weight category. I know I'm heavy. Accepted that a long time ago.  But I want to be fit no matter what the scale says.





    July 4, 1999 Firecracker 5k, Pensacola Fl - 38:55 (VERY FIRST ONE)

    June 26, 2011 Race for Logan 5k - Summerville, SC - 38:13 (tore hip flexor)

    November 5, 2011 Rock & Roll 1/2 Marathon Savannah GA, 3:23:47 (with an 8 minute stop to go to the bathroom)

    March 10, 2012 Flowertown 5k - Summerville SC - 39:45

    May 20, 2012 Diva Half Marathon, North Myrtle Beach, SC - 3:07.01(dropped 17 minutes+ from my first 1/2 Marathon!!)

    April 28, 2013 - DIVA Half Marathon, North Myrtle Beach, SC -

  • WilliamT. Amateur 11 posts since
    Oct 29, 2007

    To me weight is irrelevant without considering height!  The same for waist measurement.

  • 300poundsandrunning Amateur 10 posts since
    Jul 22, 2012

    Being that i'm 338 lbs would I be considered a Super Clydesdale?





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  • WilliamT. Amateur 11 posts since
    Oct 29, 2007

    Yes, a 300+ category is definitely warranted!

  • MTP WI Rookie 2 posts since
    Jan 15, 2008

    USACFRF - USA Clydesdale Philly Racing has 3 categories for men 190-210, 211-225 and 226+

     

    The highlight of the year is the Big Man race (MA) and they do give the mythical Pachyderm award for the heaviest competitor each year the heaviest was 366#

     

    Any way you slide categories it will leave people at the top end not even close to the botton end of that weight category.  You want to capture the 90%+ in fairness.

     

    Another of my favorite races has the Big Bock = 200-219 and Dopplebock 220+

     

    If only one weight is used I would consider the standard 200 for men and 160 for women.

     

    We each have our sweet spot ~ for me all my PRs were set 200-205#

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