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128 Replies Last post: Aug 12, 2007 11:02 AM by beaumont045   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 5 ... 9 Previous Next
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30. Aug 6, 2007 4:06 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
Okay, all this talk about body fat is seriously making me want to eat a giant bag of M&Ms.

Speaking of body fat and such... I know I need to go to the doctor and have my levels checked (potassium, iron, etc.). Is it excessively vain that I don't want to go until I hit my target race weight (I'm somewhat close)? Said doctor is also a LD runner and I don't want to look like a total wannabe when I step on the scale. Maybe if I eat nothing but watermelon the day before?
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31. Aug 6, 2007 4:18 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
Went out during lunch and got my marathon shoes! Woot! Didn't have the Fastwitch so I went with the Tangent.

Less than 8 weeks to go
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32. Aug 6, 2007 4:41 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR I!

how old are you now? like anicent?
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33. Aug 6, 2007 5:37 PM in response to: marathon princess
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34. Aug 6, 2007 6:15 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
20.04-miles in 3:15:51. Personal catch count is 3 walleye and 2 northern pike. With the family all going, heading home with a limit is not going to be a problem. Rainy Lake is really all that. Had a running buddy this morning. "Hunter" the camp manager's dog joined me for most of it. He trotted out 8-miles then picked me up on the way back. It was another cool morning and the sun was shinning brightly. I'll have to do shout-outs later. Only dial-up is available and I need to turn the computer over.

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35. Aug 6, 2007 6:31 PM in response to: marathon princess
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wow Pace that was such a nice report it makes me want to go run 20 miles!!!
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36. Aug 6, 2007 7:14 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
Hi folks,
I am new here- so HI to all!
I ran my first Marathon in March (LA) after only training for about 3 months.

I hope to learn a lot from you all so I will be good and ready for next year!
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37. Aug 6, 2007 7:21 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
I all!
I am new here. I ran my first Marathon (LA) last March. I didn't get much training in (3 months) so I am excited to get my training started early this year.

I look forward to learning a lot for you all!

TTYL,
Tiff
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38. Aug 6, 2007 8:33 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
Welcome Tiff!

4 miles with last two done as intervals.

Then a Benj workout ( Thats a weight room workout named after our own Benj in this this thread.)
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39. Aug 6, 2007 8:35 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
welcome!! there is certainly great people to get advice from here!!
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40. Aug 6, 2007 10:22 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
P2R, Sounds like you are having a great trip. Never been that far North, but the walleye fishing is making it tempting. Way to keep up the running.

Big Day:
Exercise Today
5 easy miles on the TM, situps, & pushups followed. Upperbody workout at lunch, Hard biking after work, followed by lots of pushups and situps.

Orthotics
Picked them up today! Have not tried them, my feet feel perfect right now, I hate to chance it. Going to merge them into walking slowing, before running.

Body Composition Test
Calipers - 20%, Scale 15%
A waste of time and money. IMO Buy a fat scale and monitor your body % fat changes.

Yoga Report
I got more out of the stretching poses tonight, maybe because I have been working legs hard, maybe also because instructor was better about correcting my mistakes, making it harder. One position was the crow, you put your head between your legs and put your feet on the back of your elbows. I said, "ya I'm not doing that." I couldn't believe all the ladies that could. She'd also say funny things like, "bring happiness into your breathing."

We had to meditate and we were suppose to release our inner stress. Well all I could think about is if I should do interval work yet tonight.

At the end was a full two minute hum, and I was turning into a giggle box by this point, and almost burst out laughing. Feel like I exercised and went to church at the same time.

I had some tightness in my ankle before hand and that is all gone.

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41. Aug 6, 2007 10:40 PM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
No run today..had a funeral to go to and then we came home and started our week-long living room renovation (new floors, paint, blah blah blah). I'm hoping to get in 5 miles of speedwork tomorrow morning but hubby has the week off and he is cracking the whip on me getting the painting done. I'll have to sneak away while he is at Home Depot.

A question for all of you: my feet were REALLY bothering me for the past three weeks (I suspect PF) and I made an appt. for a sports med. ortho. It took forever to get a new patient appt. and in the meantime, I've cut my miles, quit wearing my orthotics (which I got a loooong time ago after a running injury and I've never been convinced that they were helping) and things are getting a little better. My feet weren't sore at all this mornign when I got out of bed, ice and stretching seem to work. So...do I keep the appt or cancel it? My husband says I should go and establish myself as a patient in case I ever need another appt. I feel weird going when I think I've solved the problem. what's the point? What do you think?
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42. Aug 7, 2007 12:05 AM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
For Beau (long) Taken from an online article

February 20, 2005
If You Have Plantar Fasciitis, READ THIS!
"How can I help you?"

"You can fix my foot."

"What's wrong with your foot?"

"I think I have Plantar Fasciitis. It hurts near the heel and when I get up in the morning, my foot hurts a lot when it hits the floor. When I run, it hurts some too but after I finish, I have a lot of foot pain."

"How do you know you have Plantar Fasciitis?"

"Well, that's what I've been told and I kind of came to that conclusion too. From the research I did, it seems like it to me."

"So, tell me what you think it is. Plantar Fasciitis. What is it?"

"I think its when your heel gets inflamed or the tissue or stuff on the bottom of your foot is inflamed. Right?

"How long have you had this?"

"Well, let's see. I guess about two years or so."

"What have you done for your foot pain thus far?"

"I stretch it and do another stretch for my heel cord. I use ice when it's bad and take Advil. Seems to help some. Have had some massage. Tried some acupuncture too."

"Are you getting any better?"

"A little I guess. But, I still hurt a lot when I run."

"Have you tried not running?"

"Yeah. I did. But, really, I didn't notice much difference so I figured I might as well run."

"Beyond the massage and acupuncture, have you seen anyone else? Received any other type of treatment?"

"Nah. What for? Everybody says basically the same thing. Stop running, stretch, ice, try a heel lift, take these pills. I don't know. I feel like I'm just wasting my money really. No one seems to have a solution that makes sense. I've wasted a lot of time and money."

I have had that type of conversation with people, many, many times. Plantar Fasciitis is one of the most difficult foot injuries to beat. And, I believe I know why.

Have you ever been to a movie with someone and walked out saying, "Wow, what a great story!" Great movies always have great stories. The best stories are ones that keep us guessing but at the end, bring everything to a conclusion leaving you feeling good. Satisfied.

When you hear "sprained ankle", what comes to mind? Perhaps turning your foot over, landing funny on your foot, occurs with basketball frequently, swelling, ice, crutches, some type of brace? Something will be tumbling around in your head. That's because we use the phrase "sprained ankle" to define a story. An ankle sprain has a predictable story. In over 85% of ankle sprains, you injure the ligament on the outside (lateral) of your ankle. If you know the story, you will be less anxious about the injury because you know what you injured, how you injured it, what makes the injury worse, what makes it better and anything else that may be associated with it.

But, people with plantar fasciitis rarely know the story and most of what they do know is wrong. The reason Plantar Fasciitis is hard to beat is because they don't know the true story. The story they know goes something like this:

"Well, Jim, you have Plantar Fasciitis. That's inflammation of the tissue on your foot and heel and you hurt because it's inflamed. So, you'll need to stretch your foot and ankle to keep the tissue from tightening up, put ice on your foot to keep the swelling down. I'm going to write you a prescription for some medicine to bring down the inflammation. We'll get you some inserts, too. That usually helps. Now, you'll probably hurt for a while but be patient. Of course, you should stop running. Eventually, you'll get better. "

That's it.

Jim may decide to get more information on his own perhaps using the Internet but the story is the same: tissue is inflamed, stretch, ice, heel lift, inserts, etc. In fact, read what Emedicine.com has to say about Plantar Fasciitis:

"Considered a chronic inflammatory syndrome rather than a post-traumatic disorder, plantar fasciitis is common in runners and dancers who use repetitive, maximal plantarflexion of the ankle and dorsiflexion of the metatarsophalangeal joints. It is common in those who experience sudden weight gain and in overweight individuals who increase their activity level."

The biggest problem is the name "Plantar Fasciitis". What if I told you, that instead of Plantar Fasciitis, you have a torn ligament in your foot? Yikes. Torn? Are you serious? I have a torn ligament in my foot? Yep. You do because that is what happens in the misnamed and poorly told story of Plantar Fasciitis. You have torn the plantar ligament in your foot. Suddenly, it seems a bit worse somehow. Doesn't it?

The correct term or name for the story, to be consistent with other body areas (have you ever heard of a Lateral Ankle Fasciitis for an ankle sprain or a Medial Collateral Fasciitis for a Medial Collateral Ligament Sprain?), is a Plantar Ligament Sprain. A sprain is a tear in a ligament. And, as with all sprains, it is either a Grade I, II, or III. Grade I is mild, Grade II moderate and Grade III severe.

Now that we know it is a sprain, what should you do? Well, what do you do with an ankle sprain? Do you stretch an ankle sprain? Never. Do you use crutches? Yes, if you cannot walk without a limp. Do you wrap the ankle creating a graduated compression from toes to calf? Yes. Do you consult a professional for advice and rehab to prevent further injury? Yes. Do you run on a sprained ankle? Not if you're smart. Do you gradually put more weight on your foot and ankle respecting what you feel and how your foot and ankle responds? Yes.

A sprained Plantar Ligament story is not much different from an Ankle Sprain story. But, for many reasons, the Plantar Ligament Sprain has managed to become one of the worst stories in health care. Practitioners are taught the story in school or on a clinical rotation (as I was). They're told about the characteristics of Plantar Fasciitis (heel pain, hurts first thing in the morning when the foot hits the floor, starts usually from overuse), and the treatment which is largely symptom based (ice, stretch, NSAIDs, heel lifts, inserts, massage). So, practitioners learn the story, recognize it in their patients and follow the suggestions to bring the story to a conclusion. Unfortunately, just like a bad movie, this story leaves you feeling dissatisfied.

A better, more satisfying Plantar Ligament Sprain story would go something like this:

"Well, Jim, you have a Plantar Ligament Sprain. This is a tough tissue on the bottom of your foot. A sprain is a tear of this tissue and from your history and examination, I suspect it is a Grade II, which is a moderate type of tear. Right now, your ligament is inflamed which means that the tissue is very sensitive to load and motion. Inflammation is a normal healing response and there are some things you can do to help. Ligament sprains heal the best when you keep the tissue at its ideal length, keep the area compressed with a graduated compression garment, and gradually increase the load placed on your foot. When you sleep at night, you may need a special sock or brace to keep your ligament from healing in a shortened position since your foot will tend to fall into a relaxed position allowing the ligament to shorten. You may need some additional padding in your shoes to help absorb the load. And, you will need to use crutches, probably for the next 2-3 weeks or until you feel like you can walk normally and have very little discomfort.

What will make this sprain worse and potentially turn into a chronic problem is if you place too much load on your foot too fast. This can cause your tissue to stay inflamed and become gradually weaker and weaker. So, for now, use the crutches, the special sock at night, wear the compression garment. As your tissue heals, you will have less pain and stiffness. We have other exercises for you later, but for now, we need to help your body work its way through the inflammation. Control the load, move your foot a little, and use the crutches."

This story makes sense and, it is consistent with other "Sprain" stories. If you have an ankle sprain, the first phase of recovery will sound very similar to the above. Can you see how something simple, like a Plantar Ligament Sprain, becomes a complicated and complex problem later? Because it is not viewed as a tear, the tissue is easily and rapidly overloaded leading to a chronic, low grade inflammatory state resulting in weaker and more easily damaged tissue. All because of a bad story.

Success with "Plantar Fasciitis" starts with first understanding the nature of the problem and having the correct story. From this, you will make good choices, help your body heal and go back into an active and fun life.

Get your story straight first.

Make today count.

Doug Kelsey
Author. Teacher. Therapist.
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43. Aug 7, 2007 6:19 AM in response to: marathon princess
Re: Marathon Trainers...week of Aug 5th
Bike ? 35, still a few years away from the golden buckeye card

Pace ? Mmmm, walleye. Please tell me you?re coating those suckers in cornmeal, frying them up and having them with a side of peirogis.

Tiff ? welcome. Did you go from 0-marathon in 3 months, or did you have some running background?

6 brisk miles this morning, 9:27 pace. It?s hot and sticky again ? 73 degrees and 100% humidity. It should at least have the courtesy to rain once the humidity gets that high.

Good runs all.