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CoachTurnkey Amateur 12 posts since
Mar 5, 2010
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Apr 12, 2013 7:52 PM

Confusion on Batting out of Order

Minor A Little League Baseball:     Batters A-B-and C are due up to bat. Batter B bats first and walks. Batter A reaches 1st base on hit and Runner B advances to 3rd base. Before a pitch to Batter C, the defensive manager appeals a batting out of order. (B before A should have been A before B). What is would be the ruling? This is Continous lineup, I don't know if it makes a difference but.......I know I got this one wrong but was accepted by both teams. I called out Batter A out on first without moving Runner B back to first base. (Luckily B never scored) Should this have been Batter B out on first and runner on third base returns to first due to no advancement on play OR.....? I have gotten as many answers as the number of people I have asked. When A took one pitch the appeal was no longer valid since he became the proper batter, 6.07c. I do know that the lineup had to stay that messy order till the conclusion of game.

  • Mike_CVUA Legend 593 posts since
    May 25, 2007
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    1. Apr 13, 2013 2:00 AM (in response to CoachTurnkey)
    Re: Confusion on Batting out of Order

    Coach:

     

    Here goes!

     

    B was not the proper batter, and then he reched first base.  A should have been the Proper Batter, but at this point, it was not appealed.  (That's critical.)

     

    When Batter A takes one pitch, then batter B's actions are moot.  The Proper Batter is now C!  (He's the guy who follows B whose actions were just made "Proper"!) 

     

    So now, A is an Improper batter.

     

    After A's at bat, if the BOO is then properly appealed, you rule the Proper Batter Out (that's C!), you nullify A's at-bat (he goes back to the dugout), and then you nullify the play that resulted from A's at-bat.  So you put B back on first.

     

    The Proper batter is now D, and A misses his at-bat.  [Continuous batting order does not matter.]  And Batter C does NOT yet get credit for an at-bat for Little League minimumn play.

     

    Hope that helps!

     

    Mike CVUA

     

    PS:  The correct batting order MUST STILL BE FOLLOWED for the rest of the game!

     

    And, if there was an un-appealed BOO sometime earlier in the game, it does NOT change the fact that subsequent BOOs are still appealable!  It might be strategic for a defensive manager to ignore the first BOO (if they just retired a big hitter--take the normal out), and then spring this on them later when the same guy homers!

     

    The batting order handed to the official scorer and the umpire is concrete!  Can't be changed (except for illness or injury where a player cannot continue in the game).

  • BlueBeak Legend 300 posts since
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    3. Apr 14, 2013 8:22 AM (in response to CoachTurnkey)
    Confusion on Batting out of Order

    What if? same scenario, except BOO isn't pointed out until after 1 pitch to C. Now what?





    Time wounds all heels.....

  • Mike_CVUA Legend 593 posts since
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    4. Apr 15, 2013 4:44 AM (in response to BlueBeak)
    Confusion on Batting out of Order

    If C comes to the plate, HE IS THE PROPER BATTER because he follows that last Proper Batter, B.

     

    As soon as he takes a pitch, all actions by A and B are legalized.  No appeal is now possible.

     

    So if the BOO is now pointed out, tough!  It's as if it never happened.

     

    Cheers!

     

    Mike CVUA

  • psustock Amateur 11 posts since
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    5. Apr 15, 2013 10:10 AM (in response to Mike_CVUA)
    Confusion on Batting out of Order

    Not to add to the confusion, but once A's single is legalized by a pitch to C, technically B is the proper batter but b/c he is already on base, C becomes the proper batter.

     

    If B had been put out, he would be up again!

  • Mark_in_SD Legend 207 posts since
    May 25, 2007
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    6. Apr 16, 2013 12:39 PM (in response to CoachTurnkey)
    Confusion on Batting out of Order

    Mike gave an in depth explaination, but I thought I'd add a general principle that may be easier to remember.  Whenever there is a BOO that is properly appealed, the person who SHOULD have batted is the one that is out, not the guy who ACTUALLY batted.

     

    Another note for MPR,in the OP, neither A nor C get credit for an at bat for MPR purposes.

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