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1749 Views 5 Replies Latest reply: Jul 9, 2014 10:24 PM by Sid1621 RSS
JesusVaras Rookie 2 posts since
Jan 2, 2014
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Jun 24, 2014 8:31 AM

Need advice, please.

Hey guys, I'm relatively new to running. I started last December doing a 5k since I saw how badly out of shape I was and wanted a change. The bug really hit me and in the past couple of months I've lost 42 pounds (I'm  5'5 and have gone from 258 to 216; goal is 160) and have bested my time from 46:53 to 36:11. I live in Miami and there is a Half Marathon on Halloween. Is four months doable to train from 5k to a Half? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

  • shipo Legend 455 posts since
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    1. Jun 24, 2014 8:50 AM (in response to JesusVaras)
    Re: Need advice, please.

    Short version of my response:

    Were it that I was coaching you, I would recommend you wait until Halloween 2015 before you run that half marathon.


    My long response to follow...

  • shipo Legend 455 posts since
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    2. Jun 24, 2014 9:24 AM (in response to JesusVaras)
    Re: Need advice, please.

    You're likely to get differing opinions on this, but here is what I tell the folks I coach:


    If your only goal is to complete the half marathon with no regard to how long it will take you, then you probably have enough time in the next 4 months to safely condition your body for 3-3.5 hour run/walk/run attempt.  However, if you are wanting to be able to run the entire race in say a 2-2.5 hour timeframe, you're going to need lots and lots of miles, and I simply don't believe 4 months is enough time to safely ramp your weekly mileage up to a bare minimum of 40 (and then sustain that mileage level for at least a month or two).


    Nothing prepares the human body for enduring the rigors of long distance running except, lots of long distance running.  Weights, cross training, P90X, cycling, lots of sex, whatever, running, running, and more running is what the body needs.  Why?


    Here are the key issues:

    • The muscular and cardio/vascular systems of the human body are capable of developing at a relatively rapid rate.
    • The connective tissue (ligaments and tendons), joints, and the skeletal system develop at a relatively slow rate.
    • When novice runners I've coached have insisted on an accelerated running development plan, they almost always end up with injuries like (but not limited to) IT Band issues, Shin Splints, painful knees, stress fractures, and tendonitis, and if they keep training in the belief they can run through the pain, they end up sidelined, sometimes for months or years.


    What a novice runner can do to prepare for a half marathon:

    • Plan on training for at least a year.
    • Embark on a training plan where they deliberately run slow, exchanging each additional unit of strength and endurance for more distance.
    • Once the runner reaches at least say 6 miles for their "short" runs, and is able to run say 10 to 12 miles at a crack on their "long" runs, then some faster workouts *might* yield some benefits without raising the risk of injury too much.
    • Gradually increase weekly mileage to at least 40 miles, 50 would be better.
    • When at least two consecutive months of 160+ miles have been logged, you're ready to safely run a half marathon.
  • shipo Legend 455 posts since
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    4. Jun 24, 2014 10:01 AM (in response to JesusVaras)
    Re: Need advice, please.

    No problem. 


    Have you considered training for say a 10K as a "next step" type of race?

  • Sid1621 Rookie 1 posts since
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    5. Jul 9, 2014 10:24 PM (in response to JesusVaras)
    Need advice, please.

    Sorry for the long post...


    Firstly, I am not a coach, Dr., etc. and am only writing from my own experiences. This isn't really advice, just what worked for me, and what didn't work for a friend. Congrats on the weight loss. I too lost 45 pounds (diet and elliptical because running was too hard for me at the higher weight) then picked up running which helped me drop more weight.


    Many half marathon plans are 16 weeks long, hey that’s 4 months! And there are tons out there for beginners.


    Here’s my path to the half marathon distance (without a training plan – Although all went well for me it’s not advisable to do without a plan. Pick a plan and stick to it. If you look at what I did, I did work up to it, it just was kind of rapid. Now I always use a training plan for anything up to or greater than a half marathon.)           


    I started running Feb. 2012, doing 4 mile loops near my home. That was def. work, but with the miles I was doing on the elliptical it felt pretty good. Anyway, one night about the 3rd week in, doing 3 to 4 runs a week I felt great and kept going to 6 miles and still felt great, but called it a night. Mid March I worked up to 8 miles and was loving it... Early April I hit 10 miles. That one was tougher, but was a great accomplishment for me. A few weeks later I did 11 miles, then at the end of April I did 13 just out there going, no race or anything. I kind of wish I had done it during a race, but I was still stoked; My time was even surprisingly better than I'd expected doing a 10 min/mi ish pace.


    I then signed up for a 12k race because it was a few weeks later. The half marathon "training" run gave me real confidence for the 12k and I pushed to an average 9:15 min/mi pace (again I was stoked. I know many folks are faster and many slower but I run at what works for me and am not worried about others). After the 12k I signed up for a 10 miler for a few months later, the end of Sept. That went well, but it was much warmer so was a bit tougher but I kept at it having my long runs be 10 miles.


    My first half marathon race was Dec 1 and it was great. I've done quite a few since then and a couple of Marathons (much tougher on the body for sure), but I put a lot of time between the two full Marathons and don't like having to lay off for recovery which for me half marathons don't force me to have so much down time.


    I do think the 10k recommendation is a good one though because if you're digging 5k's but looking to push things a 10k is perfect. I actually prefer them, but they aren't as common. If there's a 10k I just sign up for it, I love them. I find in a 10k I actually push my pace and abilities without trying to hold back too much; really focusing on the negative split concept. When I go farther than that I really think I play it too conservatively because I don't want to bonk during a race. It's as much a head game as a physical challenge.


    Summary: I took longer for an "official" half marathon race, but did the distance much sooner. If you know of a race that you REALLY want to do, just to experience it, and you don't feel like your body is being beat up doing 6 - 8 miles at a pace you feel good at, go for it. Just don't try to get caught up in the excitement or go out with a fast friend and over do it. Just enjoy the experience. If it's just a race for race sake, then wait. My first half marathon race always runs right in front of my house every year so once I started running it was "the" half for me to do. It was fun. It still is fun. Pick something you'll remember and go for it (if you feel good). Just check the weather, it's such a factor as you start to go longer and it's really tough to figure out how your body will respond to warmer temperatures.


    Side note: Everyone is different. A co-worker picked up running and is highly competitive. He pushed his pace to go really fast and did a half marathon distance pretty fast in less than 2 months of starting running. It caused him GREAT pain and several months of non-running recovery. He went too long, too fast with no recovery between any of his runs. So whatever you do pick a plan and stick to it, including recovery, hydration, nutrition and sleep.


    Good luck and have fun.

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