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Click to view 4boysmom's profile Legend 1,307 posts since
Dec 10, 2007

Jun 1, 2007 8:54 AM

So I'm going to learn to swim...

I've been doing side stroke, which works. However, since I've decided to do a HIM (just to do one, not planning on getting serious--ha ha...) I need to learn to swim. Actually, I know how to swim, just haven't in years. Couple of questions--

Y'all talk about bilateral breathing. I swim in open water, doing several laps. I always do side stroke facing the beach (vs open water), mainly to keep an eye on my kids, but also because breathing is easier. While swimming, should I practice breathing on both sides--as in beach and open water? Outbound I would be breathing to the left and inbound to the right anyway. Is that good enough?

Sighting. The 'swimming lane' is out by the bouys, which are zig-zagged (has something to do with water depth). Doing side stroke it's pretty easy for me to sight these. How often should I sight while swimming? Some fo the life guards can get pretty snotty with swimmers who happen to get on the wrong side of the bouys...

Since my distance is unknown, should I just go by time? Any real reason to figure out distance?

I've only done 3 swims so far, at 30mins each. Last summer I was doing 60-90min swims. How should I fuel/hydrate after a swim?

btw--anyone in central Ohio, this is Alum Creek. Anything else I should know?
Click to view ForceD's profile Legend 523 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Jun 1, 2007 9:13 AM in response to: 4boysmom
Re: So I'm going to learn to swim...
Mom,
Much of what you want to learn (for the HIM) depends on how much time you have between now and the race. If you?re not really accustom to swimming crawl stroke (?freestyle?)?I wouldn?t worry about the bi-lat breathing until you?re comfortable swimming that stroke. To navigate you?ll just need to look around every several strokes and keep an eye on the other swimmers. However, if you do have time to refine it?I think bi-lat breathing makes open water swimming more efficient. But it does take some new coordination and getting use to.

Figuring the distance of the course you?re swimming?
You can go to http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/[/URL" target="_blank"> and enter ?Alum Creek, OH? at the top where it says ?Jump to:? and then use the zoom, pan, and map/satellite tools to get exactly to where you?re swimming on that lake. Then zoom way in and use the pedometer tool to map your course (in the water). Just click on ?Start recording? and then on the map/satellite photo click along your route. It?ll give you a pretty accurate measurement.

Dan
Click to view JenSC's profile Expert 55 posts since
May 17, 2007
2. Jun 1, 2007 2:43 PM in response to: 4boysmom
Re: So I'm going to learn to swim...
Ditto regarding bilateral breathing. If you are going to continue to do the sidestroke then you don't need to do bilateral breathing. Just turn your head to the front now and then to see where you are going and that's sighting.

If you decide you want to start swimming freestyle then I'd suggest trying to get to a pool with an instructor or coach for a few sessions so you can get your form correct from the start. Then you'll learn bilateral breathing right away.

sight about every 7th stroke or so. I do 1,2,3 breathe left, 1,2,3, breath right, sight. If I'm tired (which is usually ) then I do 1,2,3 breath left, 1, breathe left again, 1, breathe left again, sight, 1,2,3, breathe right 1, breathe right again, 1 breathe right again, and so forth.

Clear as mud?

Jen in SC
Click to view GreenDreams's profile Expert 46 posts since
May 25, 2007
5. Jun 1, 2007 3:30 PM in response to: 4boysmom
Re: So I'm going to learn to swim...
Hi 4boysmom,

I unfortunately know nothing about the specifics of tri swimming, but I do have a few possibly helpful comments about learning to swim in general and knowing where you're going while swimming. (I'm used to swimming for time, not endurance, so hopefully someone can come in and ex-nay anything I say that just wouldn't work in tri-distance swimming.)

You can stay afloat and side-stroke. That's a good start. At least you are able to swim in some fashion. But at the very least, I'd recommend learning to swim other strokes in a pool, for several reasons:

One of the easiest ways to practise breathing is while NOT moving. You can stand in shallow water and bend over to do this (not terribly comfortable), have someone hold your feet, or you can get to a pool, where if the pool is relatively empty, you can hook your feet around the ladder or over the ledge and "swim" without going anywhere. This sounds stupid, but it really works. I recommend this because it is a good way to learn to pace your breathing, starting with very slow strokes, and also to side-sight on your breaths. Seeing your surroundings on the right and left is often as good as looking ahead. You will have a major 30 degree blind-spot right in front of you, which may be a problem with so many other swimmers in the water, but then I guess you can also practise sighting in this way.

The other advantage to not-going-anywhere is that you can practise the strokes you are learning very, very slowly. You don't need to worry about staying afloat or propelling yourself, just concentrate on what your arms are doing, and your breathing in time with that action, until it feels right. If you have very little experience swimming with your face submerged most of the time, it can be a little scary and you'll think of nothing but your next breath. Being essentially immobilized at your feet makes for a controlled environment. You can stop and breathe at any time.

Another option is to invest in a flutter board (very cheap), and place it under your chest. It will keep you unnaturally high in the water, but again you can learn breathing and strokes at your own pace, without worrying about either being necessary to your comfort and safety.

Best for last: Adult swimming lessons through your municipal community centre. They should not be very expensive. Less than $70 for 10 lessons over 10 weeks where I live. Private lessons are twice that, but either are a good investment. You'll enjoy swimming more if you have more versatility/skill in the sport.
Click to view triandstopme044's profile Legend 1,454 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
7. Jun 1, 2007 4:18 PM in response to: 4boysmom
Re: So I'm going to learn to swim...
Side stroke was about all I had swimming-wise until about two years ago. I'd never learned proper freestyle and how to breathe. Since I'm not particularly the lesson-type, I went with the Total Immersion DVD and books. I'm sure lessons would have worked as well or better if that style of learning suited me, but TI was a great way to learn on my own. It breaks down the stroke into drills and then gradually builds it back up into swimming.
Click to view melonella's profile Legend 406 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Jun 1, 2007 4:18 PM in response to: 4boysmom
Re: So I'm going to learn to swim...
Technique is a critical component of swimming. All the fitness in the world won't get you anywhere if you don't have the technique down. Without learning how to minimize your exposure to the highly resistive nature of water while maximizing the propulsion generated from your efforts, you're just going to get better at struggling.

Step one...take some lessons. This is not like running in that walk-some,run-some will eventually build you up to where you need to be. Sorry to be so blunt, but building up muscle and endurance with side-stroke is just not a very efficient use of your time.
Click to view triandstopme044's profile Legend 1,454 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Jun 1, 2007 4:30 PM in response to: 4boysmom
Re: So I'm going to learn to swim...
quote:<HR>Originally posted by triandstopme:
Side stroke was about all I had swimming-wise until about two years ago. I'd never learned proper freestyle and how to breathe. Since I'm not particularly the lesson-type, I went with the Total Immersion DVD and books. I'm sure lessons would have worked as well or better if that style of learning suited me, but TI was a great way to learn on my own. It breaks down the stroke into drills and then gradually builds it back up into swimming. <HR>


Edited to add: On the bilateral breathing, I would work on that from the start. Being able to breathe to either side keeps both your stroke and your strengths evened out. In open water, how you breathe will probably depend more on the conditions. You may well do as you have been, breathe toward the beach side both for sighting and to avoid getting a lungful of water. But if you've learned bilateral breathing along the way, you'll have the option of breathing to either side as needs or conditions dictate. I used to be more comfortable breathing to my right, but now I've worked so hard to get comfortable to the left, that the left is now my "better" side. Which just means I need to focus on the right again.