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Click to view tcrevois's profile Pro 69 posts since
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May 18, 2007 4:57 PM

Should I just stop?

I started running last february after losing some weight and wanting to get out and exercise more. I ran for about 3 months, about 15-20 mpw, running a 5k in 25 minutes, then had to take a month off because of a surgery (not running related) I had to have.
After I came back I got plantars facilitis, followed by ITBS in my right knee... I basically took 3 months off w/ no running... then developed ITBS in my LEFT knee... now my left hip has been hurting for the last 2 weeks (though slowly getting better).
W/ those injuries I basically shut it down...as such I've run maybe 100 miles since last may... I really love running but it seems to be one thing after another.
I have good running shoes and was diagnosed as being an overpronator- so I got the inserts in my stability shoes... but after that I still got ITBS in one knee and then pain in my hip.
should I just give it up? What am i doing wrong?
Click to view kuan's profile Amateur 34 posts since
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1. May 19, 2007 6:11 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
Sounds like me. Don't quit. These are typical problems. Keep your chin up soldier.

You have lotsa ailments and they're all in one thread. My hip problem was "fixed" using a foam roller and massage therapy. The ITBS never really goes away. I use a foam roller on that too. Every spring my ITBS recurs. I have to restart my running from scratch, doing 1-2 miles to start. I don't have PF though so you're one up on me.

You can also pick up cycling, the sport for broken runners.
Click to view Abadabajev's profile Legend 231 posts since
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2. May 19, 2007 6:54 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by tcrevois:
I have good running shoes and was diagnosed as being an overpronator- so I got the inserts in my stability shoes... but after that I still got ITBS in one knee and then pain in my hip.
should I just give it up? What am i doing wrong?
<HR>


For goodness sake, take those stability shoes and throw them in the garbage. Get rid of that problem immediately.

Get some flexible running shoes. Your shoes need to bend and mold to your feet. Stability shoes dont bend, don't flex, no wonder you have PF, ITBS and all the injuries.

Run a few minutes per day barefoot on your treadmill. Barefoot running will cure all injuries. Your feet will be free.
Click to view kuan's profile Amateur 34 posts since
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3. May 19, 2007 6:59 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
Except don't you wanna heal the PF first before starting on flexible shoes or even barefoot?
Click to view prosim25019's profile Amateur 34 posts since
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4. May 19, 2007 12:47 PM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
I definately echo the bike suggestion, you may also want to think about pilates or yoga to help you strech and strengthen your IT band.
-Bill
Click to view JimR022's profile Legend 1,008 posts since
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5. May 19, 2007 3:20 PM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
I'm not at all keen on the idea of someone starting running and doing 5k's within a couple of months, it seems to me too much too quickly.

Right now, work out your injuries until they are at least manageable. When you get back to running, you can't try to do what you were doing when you left it, you need to scale way back, even if it's only something small like 3, 4 or 5 miles a week. Don't do more running at a time then you feel you can handle, and you'll know by how you feel as you run. Take your time coming back, I spent a year before I ever ran a race.
Click to view runawayjesse's profile Legend 538 posts since
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6. May 19, 2007 4:53 PM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by kuan:
Except don't you wanna heal the PF first before starting on flexible shoes or even barefoot?<HR>



How do you think you heal them? Switching to a shoe just like ababdadabababadad(is that his name) says cured injuries for me. Nothing else worked. I'm on my longest streak with no injurys(knock on wood) ever since I switched to a no frills shoe.
Click to view QuickSilver096's profile Pro 188 posts since
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7. May 26, 2007 2:48 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
While you are healing from these injuries, consider water/pool running or ellipticals. These are no impact exercises that mimic running form.

I'm afraid you maybe doing too much too soon. Let your body catch up a little bit and maybe you'll come back stronger.

Stay strong and see you out there!
Click to view superburtm's profile Pro 140 posts since
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8. May 26, 2007 2:57 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
I have to echoe this post. Stabilty and motion control shoes caused alot of problems for me. I switched to neutral shoes and I run 6 days a week without injury.


quote:<HR>Originally posted by runawayjesse:

How do you think you heal them? Switching to a shoe just like ababdadabababadad(is that his name) says cured injuries for me. Nothing else worked. I'm on my longest streak with no injurys(knock on wood) ever since I switched to a no frills shoe.
<HR>
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9. May 26, 2007 3:52 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
Any chance you might have some muscle weaknesses or some imbalances and specific strengthening exercises may help? You didn't indicate what caused the issues or whether you've had them diagnosed by someone who knows what they're doing with runners. I had an assortment of issues early on, but a good PT found the causes, gave me some exercises, and switched me from motion control to stability shoes. I also do some barefoot work for foot strengthening, and I can use neutral shoes a little, but the torsion control of my regular shoes really helps me.
Click to view brianfie's profile Legend 316 posts since
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10. Dec 22, 2007 9:56 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Abadabajev:
For goodness sake, take those stability shoes and throw them in the garbage. Get rid of that problem immediately.

Get some flexible running shoes. Your shoes need to bend and mold to your feet. Stability shoes dont bend, don't flex, no wonder you have PF, ITBS and all the injuries.

Run a few minutes per day barefoot on your treadmill. Barefoot running will cure all injuries. Your feet will be free.

<HR>


Hi Abadabajev

Any suggestion for a low tech shoe? I have gone from motion control ... to stability .... to lighweight neutral-ish (just a bit of stability).

I guess I am thinking of long lasting, inexpensive shoe with responsive cushioning and no stability control.

Oh I forgot - and LOW heel

-b

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Click to view Nobby063's profile Legend 630 posts since
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11. May 27, 2007 12:05 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
I don't buy most of what so-called shoe experts, podietrists, or shoe sales people tell you in this country. It's either they tell you what they are supposed to tell you (to make money) or they don't know Jack (Bauer!). Who diagnosed you that you're an over-pronator? Shoe store clerk at Running Room? Pronation is a natural movement and, while some do pronate in excess, too much of preventing it could cause more problem than necessary. One of the most common problem so-called "motion control shoes" would cause is ITBS because those hard medial post or some rigid plastic piece would put too much stretching on IT band.

Once I was helping out MDRA (Minnesota Distance Running Association) beginning jogging class. We had a guest speaker and, while she was speaking, I was sitting almost directly behind her. I noticed she was wearing a popular "motion control" model with excess build-up of medial post and her legs were almost pushed outward while simply standing. After her talk, I went up to her (I'd never met her before) and asked her if she ever had ITBS problem. Guess what her answer was!

This type of shoes are most likely too ridig and thick and bulky and this more often than not put a lot of pressure on your Plantar Fascia as well because most likely the shoe won't even bend! I call some of these shoes, "a type your wife would buy to wack her husband's head with." They are like a brick! You try to run in ski boots and see how quickly you strain your arch. There's no need for these problems.

A cycle of modern high tech shoes is this: they think more cushion is good so they started making the heel area of the shoes thicker and thicker. Now, the higher off you are from the ground, the less stable you become. So they started putting all those plastic pieces or medial post, etc., to "stablize" this wobbliness. Rigidity of the shoe causes PF; and "Prevention" of pronation causes ITBS. These are what Arthur Lydiard used to call "American shoe diseases."

We don't hear too many cases of PF or ITBS in Japan where people wear shoes like ASICS' new Piranah or adiZERO or Nike Katana--very much like minimalist shoes (though we would soon start to hear more of these problems because now we import more and more conventional American training shoes).

Incidentally, I still get Japanese ASICS racing flats and this is the image of my favorite shoes, ASICS Sortie...oops! I tried to attach the image but I don't know how! ;o)
Click to view Nobby063's profile Legend 630 posts since
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12. May 27, 2007 12:12 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
...and for your original qeustion: NO! There's no problem you cannot overcome. Slow down or cut back the volume if you have to. But you should continue exercising by strengthening weak spots as well as keeping the area warm. No need to give it up.
Click to view RealRunner's profile Amateur 34 posts since
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13. Dec 22, 2007 9:56 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
Nobby, why do you have to take that one-sided attitude? Haven't you heard that a little knowledge can be dangerous? I agreed with SOME of your observations about motion control shoes. But something tells me that you really don't understand overpronation.

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Click to view brianfie's profile Legend 316 posts since
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14. May 27, 2007 1:35 AM in response to: tcrevois
Re: Should I just stop?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by RealRunner:
Nobby, why do you have to take that one-sided attitude? Haven't you heard that a little knowledge can be dangerous? I agreed with SOME of your observations about motion control shoes. But something tells me that you really don't understand overpronation.

<HR>


Just because a practice is 'standard' and has a whole industry supporting it, it does not mean that it is healthy. I am glad to see someone speaking against the current state of running shoes and the way that they are consistently recommended here on the Newbie thread. I think there are several huge flaws in the conventional wisdom on running shoes that are usually overlooked:
(i) How come most people 'overpronate' to the extent they need an artificial aid to run without pain?
(ii) How come people have been running for 1000s of years quite sucessfuly without special artificial aids?
(iii) How come running shoes have a huge cushion under the heel when many runners run with a light heel touch. Why do the people working in running stores never consider how the foot lands, just how it tilts when it has landed?
(iv) How much do people working in running really know about human biomechanics
(iv) How come these shoes only last 300-500 miles!
(v) How come its never ststed that overpronation is not from a deformity. It happens becuse of lack of muscle strength, tone and control.

There is the other side of the story. Many people are very happy with the shoes they get in stores and find that they are helped greatly by them and that they can only run without pain because of the modern running shoe.

Could the situation is something like this? We have worn shoes from birth and most of us don't run, or did not till be took up the sport. Our feet and legs are underdeveloped for running. We don't have the muscles, or the muscle control, for the foot to behave as it was designed when we land with the high forces due to running. The consequences are overpronation leading to a cascade of injuries. As Nobby says, the cushioning adds an extra element of instability.

So the solution is to prop up one side of the foot. It works! It's a very effective quick fix. But the foot never becomes normal. We adapt to the shoes we put ourselves, which, in the long term don't allow the foot to build up naturally. What's more, we are running along in these huge clumpy things. Weights at the bottom of our feet!

I would like to see more stories from people who have weaned themselves off modern running shoes, who were 'overpronators' but now can run without a prop to 'fix' it.

Oh the joy of running in a minimal shoe. When I put on a pair of the clumpy motion control shoes I used to wear I just can't believe I was once happy with them.

-b