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15. Jun 24, 2007 7:03 PM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by zoomharp:


"...carbohydrate feedings during exercise do not produce the same hypoglycemic effects observed with the pre-exercise feedings. ...The cause for this finer control on blood glucose during exercise may be related to the fact that the muscle fibers become more permeable, allowing glucose to enter the muscle with the aid of less insulin. As a result, less insulin is released from the pancreas and the rise in blood glucose is smaller..." -p. 60

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Thanks for posting that. I can never understand why I could get away with downing 32 oz of gatorade on an empty stomach during a run and it not effect me. Yet 12 oz is enough to make me feel like **** if I remain sedative.
I have been scratching my head on that one for awhile.
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17. Jun 25, 2007 4:38 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
Try low-salt pretzels with OJ. Easy on the stomach and keeps you powered up for at least one hour.
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18. Dec 22, 2007 11:57 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by QuickSilver:

Try low-salt pretzels with OJ. Easy on the stomach and keeps you powered up for at least one hour.
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Is this "powering-up" real? Placebo? What is the physiologocal explanation?

I have never found a positive connection between eating and energy to run - apart from when I was on a 5-day juice fast.

-b

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19. Jun 25, 2007 8:38 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by zetakappa700:
as well as loose 15-25 lbs before sept 24th.<HR>


Then the last thing you want to be doing is horsing down large quantities of carbs before every run, when you won't be burning them off.

Well done on starting C-to-5k, but please realise that your nutrition needs, as someone who runs less than 10 miles a week, are different from someone who runs 40mpw. When your mileage gets higher - a lot higher - then you'll need to think about eating to fuel your running. For now, just make sure you get a balanced diet.

Read Nancy Clark's Sports Nutrition Guidebook for more information. If you're having trouble figuring out your current diet, then www.fitday.com[/URL" target="_blank"> or www.sparkpeople.com[/URL" target="_blank"> are useful sites.
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20. Jun 25, 2007 8:53 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
Eating before a short run (less than 15-20 miles) is a psychological need, not a physical one., You already have enough carbohydrates stored up in your muscles and liver to literally run for hours. In addition to the possibility of upsetting your stomach, eating before a run may actually hurt your performance by initiating an insulin response which actually lowers your blood sugar. By the same token, carb loading is also unnecessary for short runs and will only make you fat.

Grab a glass of water before your run and head out the door. Water is much more beneficial on your runs than food. FWIW, I've trained for a number of marathons, and all of my long runs (up to 24 miles) have been done on an empty stomach.

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21. Jun 25, 2007 9:06 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
Other posts are correct, you don't NEED to eat before a morning run...however I hate feeling really hungry during a run so I almost always have something little. Maybe just half a banana and wait at least a 1/2 hour to run. I always like to eat in the morning though, even when I don't run. I get uncomfortably hungry pretty quickly. Ever since I started eating breakfast regularly I find my body needs it
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22. Jun 25, 2007 9:10 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
Perhaps the need to "fuel runs" is a habit. Perhaps some feel it hard to get going without eating something first. Apart from this I can't understand that there is a physiological need.

I have got into a different groove. I have never eaten anything before running and the thought of downing any kind of carbs before a run never arises. Quite the opposite. If I am having a day off, I feel hungry when I get up and will eat as early as I can. If I am running (usually 1 - 2 hours) I don't feel hungry and will eat at 8:30 or so, when I return.

On a long run, over two hours, I might feel hungry for a while, particulary if I am running slowly. Well, the easier I run the more likely it is I will feel hungry.

I can imagine that it is possible to get into the habit of eating first, and not feeling comfortable without some carbs in the stomach. However, I can't see any direct benefit to performance.

Surely it is better to do without if you can? It keeps things simpler.
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23. Jun 25, 2007 9:57 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by zetakappa700:
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Part of my need to start running again is that we found out a couple weeks ago that our permit to climb Mt. Whitney was accepted and I want to enjoy running again as well as loose 15-25 lbs before sept 24th.

~Steve
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As I posted earlier eat your high carb meals for breakfast after your run. If you do crave that sugary snack eat it with breakfast. After breakfast drop all simple carbs from your diet. Lunch can be balanced with carbs being sorta high again. Dinner smallest meal should be mostly protien. When you leave carbs out of your meal you will be surprised how much food you can eat with the meal remaining low calories. Lower you daily calorie intake by 15-20%. Since your calories are lower it is important that the ones you do eat are not empty(junk food).

Adding intensity within some of your runs has proved superior to calorie burning than jogging alone.Consider adding 20 min segments within your runs where you alter 30 secs sprint with 1 min jogs(it shoudn't be hard). This will burn more calories and boost your matablizym more for a longer period of time. Also it will assure more fat is burned while maintaining muscle mass.

Also if you find time to strengh training it wll be helpfull for weight loss. 1lb of muscle burns something like 5x as many calories at rest than fat. So you can see the benefit to adding muscle mass.
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24. Jun 25, 2007 10:45 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by runawayjesse:
Consider adding 20 min segments within your runs where you alter 30 secs sprint with 1 min jogs(it shoudn't be hard).<HR>


Dude, he's on Week 2 of Couch-to-5k:

quote:<HR>Brisk five-minute warmup walk. Then alternate 90 seconds of jogging and two minutes of walking for a total of 20 minutes. (Three times a week)<HR>


zetakappa700, do NOT do striders like this until you've been running 15-20 mpw consistently for several months. You'll get injured.
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25. Jun 25, 2007 11:56 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Iontach:
zetakappa700, do NOT do striders like this until you've been running 15-20 mpw consistently for several months. You'll get injured.<HR>


I agree. Striders, or any form of speed work at this time is a very bad idea. When you are comfortable running 15-20 miles a week, then consider it.

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Click to view runawayjesse's profile Legend 538 posts since
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26. Dec 22, 2007 11:57 AM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Iontach:
zetakappa700, do NOT do striders like this until you've been running 15-20 mpw consistently for several months. You'll get injured.<HR>


I was just refering to a form of cardio called HIIT. Many people find it to be superior for weight loss. C25k is good though.

A little about HIIT-
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27. Jun 25, 2007 12:43 PM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by runawayjesse:
Besides more running injurys occure from a sudden change in the regime like suddenly deciding to add in striders or speedwork after doing nothing but jogging for months and months.<HR>


Evidence, please, that more injuries result from overdoing it when very unfit than from introducing speedwork gradually when you've toughened up your skeleton, connective tissues and muscles. Peer-reviewed stuff would be nice.
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28. Jun 25, 2007 1:39 PM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
To answer your original question, for morning run after coffee 1 slice raisin toast with peanut butter washed down with water. No dairy. Evening run maybe a few saltines with peanut butter. Like you, I find I need a little something on my stomach before heading out.
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29. Jun 25, 2007 5:13 PM in response to: zetakappa700
Re: Pre-workout energy source????
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Iontach:
Evidence, please, that more injuries result from overdoing it when very unfit than from introducing speedwork gradually when you've toughened up your skeleton, connective tissues and muscles. Peer-reviewed stuff would be nice.<HR>



HIIT isn't over doing it, it's not even speedwork. It is just another method of cardio that works better for caloric burn amongst other things over jogging alone. You don't need conditioning to do it. In fact it can make the transition more smooth when one does decide to add some more intensity. I find even during the most easiers running periods short intense striders are just enough to keep in touch with those motor units so they don't become dormant.

You seem to mistake interval training with this form of cardio that I'm speaking of. Thats Ok I won't hold you to it. Runners are often misinformed on these subjects.

But HIIT isn't all necassary for losing weight. If this guy just started running no matter what intensity he will probebly drop pounds(with a diet of course). 15-20 lbs, Meh, C25K is a good giude. I just wanted to throw the idea out their in case their is any interest.