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Originally posted by laker:

I was being constructive. The Op came on here asking for advice. Take your feel good crap and shove it. If you listen to what the experienced people on here say, you might learn something and actually "accomplish something great". Those who are elite, and sub elite, and just plain average generally work very hard. Do you?

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Heh. Laker, this made me laugh. And I probably shouldn't get in the middle of this (darn slow day at work, but...)

Gracie.  Sure, they accomplish + something + and sure maybe it's great to somebody but it's not objectively great, really.  If someone wants to actually maximize their potential as a runner, laker's advice is going to go a heck of a lot farther than making him feel good or telling him what he wants to hear.  And the real irony is that even though your advocating for the "golden rule" you're bashing and judging  laker more than he ever bashed or judged anybody!

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Originally posted by laker:

I was being constructive. The Op came on here asking for advice. Take your feel good crap and shove it. If you listen to what the experienced people on here say, you might learn something and actually "accomplish something great". Those who are elite, and sub elite, and just plain average generally work very hard. Do you?

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You can always count on Laker to tell it like it is 

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Originally posted by thereshegoes:

Heh. Laker, this made me laugh. And I probably shouldn't get in the middle of this (darn slow day at work, but...)

Gracie. Sure, they accomplish + something + and sure maybe it's great to somebody but it's not objectively great, really. If someone wants to actually maximize their potential as a runner, laker's advice is going to go a heck of a lot farther than making him feel good or telling him what he wants to hear. And the real irony is that even though your advocating for the "golden rule" you're bashing and judging laker more than he ever bashed or judged anybody!

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I never bashed Laker...I just think you can tell people what you need to in a nice way. You don't need to sugar coat it but you don't need to make him feel like he sucks because he's not running 50 mpw yet. THAT is ALL I said...at least that is the way I meant it...if it came off as bashing...sorry...I just think there is enough grumpy people in the world and to come here to learn and get better at what we all like to do and be treated like that is just not what "community" is all about...that is all I meant. From what I read...I am sure Laker has valuable training tips. But you get more bees with honey than vinegar.

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Originally posted by Graciemygirl:

I am not an elite runner...I do not have the experience you have but my point was more that you can say what you need to without making someone feel inferior to you the way that you did. I respect what you have to offer here, I just thought it was mean the way you went about it. I don't have any feel good crap to shove...just think you can offer your insight and experience without tearing at someone's base accomplishment while they are striving to hit the level you have reached through your hardwork and determination. That's all...

My daughter has special needs and gets picked on often. She was having a sad and hard day that day and your post just hit the "mama bear" in me. Bygones?

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My advice to the OP was pretty objective and straightforward, you sure read a lot more into it than others did. My advice to you on the other hand........ Bygones.

Thanks guys....