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225. Mar 22, 2003 1:57 PM

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Re: Tips on training 100 miles a week?

WOW WHAT A LONG TIME IT HAS BEEN!!!! I am so sorry everyone that I did not post back earlier as had been requested, but once school started up I got lazy on the computer and wasn't getting on it much, plus my password got lost and I was too lazy to ask for it! lol. Well I want to get down to how my XC season / Training went!

Weekly miles went as follows...

44 week 1 in arizona < where i live
60 week 2 in california < vacation
70 week 3 in arizona
80 week 4 in arizona
100 week 5 in tennessee < where grandparents live
100 week 6 in tennessee
60 week 7 in hilton head island, south carolina < used to live here, visited friends, great time
100 week 8 in north carolina < XC camp / met great runner girl

100 week 9 in tennessee
100 week 10 in tennessee
60 week 11 in tennessee
80 week 12 in arizona < nice to get back but dang hot!! heh
*note: in week 11, i did the same workout on tuesday and thursday, and the workout was 3xmile w/ 2 min. jog between each mile. tuesday went 5:21, 5:15, 5:11. thursday went 5:13, 5:11, 5:03.
In our teams time trial I ran a 10:22 2.1 mile. then in the first meet, i ran a dissappointing 16:57, but was followed up by numerous horrible runs, such as 17:44 5k (this was run so bad due to the fact that it was the biggest invite and i decided to go out super hard and i died the whole way), 16:44 3 mile. then in the city meet i stepped it up w/ a better run of 16:37 5k to win the city meet, then a 16:40 5k which was the same exact course as where i ran the 17:44. then state i blew up again, i was never really in the race, and there were just way too many people to start out too fast, and i got caught up in all the people and could never move up until the end when it was too late, which got me a lousy 17:03 5k. then a couple weeks after that I ran in an open xc 5k run where i ran an impressive time of 16:01, which would have placed me 10th at the state meet. well track has come around, and i ran 680-700 miles over the winter vacation leading up to the start of track, and just ran a 9:56 3200, where my best at peaking last year was a 10:19, and I am hoping to get down to 9:20 because the flat track is where my stride is better suited for. Anymore questions just ask, it was the greatest summer of my life and will never forget that time. gosh it was such a comfortable feeling. the thought of warm summer trails, no school, endless miles out into nowhere, finding who you are. It is an experience like none other. The face is that the times will come, you jsut have to love what you are doing and let it come to you. This next summer will be just as great if not greater as I opt to go up to flagstaff around 10,000ft. in elevation or higher, and run 125-200 miles per week, the ENTIRE summer, w/ out taking the break weeks. I sure wana become the best, but it's just so much fun doing it in the summer. Plus I did 1,000 situps every day and 600 pushups every day. Comments anyone? Questions?

rengle

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Dec 14, 2007

226. Mar 23, 2003 10:15 AM

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Re: Tips on training 100 miles a week?

Nice going. It's a great time of your life. Enjoy the time and the miles. I'm smiling just remembering similar times and experiences. All the best.

Guest

227. Mar 24, 2003 4:52 AM

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Re: Tips on training 100 miles a week?

quote:<HR>Originally posted by easyrun:
WOW WHAT A LONG TIME IT HAS BEEN!!!! I am so sorry everyone that I did not post back earlier as had been requested, but once school started up I got lazy on the computer and wasn't getting on it much, plus my password got lost and I was too lazy to ask for it! lol. Well I want to get down to how my XC season / Training went! Weekly miles went as follows...

44 week 1 in arizona < where i live
60 week 2 in california < vacation
70 week 3 in arizona
80 week 4 in arizona
100 week 5 in tennessee < where grandparents live
100 week 6 in tennessee
60 week 7 in hilton head island, south carolina < used to live here, visited friends, great time
100 week 8 in north carolina < XC camp / met great runner girl
100 week 9 in tennessee
100 week 10 in tennessee
60 week 11 in tennessee
80 week 12 in arizona < nice to get back but dang hot!! heh
*note: in week 11, i did the same workout on tuesday and thursday, and the workout was 3xmile w/ 2 min. jog between each mile. tuesday went 5:21, 5:15, 5:11. thursday went 5:13, 5:11, 5:03.
In our teams time trial I ran a 10:22 2.1 mile. then in the first meet, i ran a dissappointing 16:57, but was followed up by numerous horrible runs, such as 17:44 5k (this was run so bad due to the fact that it was the biggest invite and i decided to go out super hard and i died the whole way), 16:44 3 mile. then in the city meet i stepped it up w/ a better run of 16:37 5k to win the city meet, then a 16:40 5k which was the same exact course as where i ran the 17:44. then state i blew up again, i was never really in the race, and there were just way too many people to start out too fast, and i got caught up in all the people and could never move up until the end when it was too late, which got me a lousy 17:03 5k. then a couple weeks after that I ran in an open xc 5k run where i ran an impressive time of 16:01, which would have placed me 10th at the state meet. well track has come around, and i ran 680-700 miles over the winter vacation leading up to the start of track, and just ran a 9:56 3200, where my best at peaking last year was a 10:19, and I am hoping to get down to 9:20 because the flat track is where my stride is better suited for. Anymore questions just ask, it was the greatest summer of my life and will never forget that time. gosh it was such a comfortable feeling. the thought of warm summer trails, no school, endless miles out into nowhere, finding who you are. It is an experience like none other. The face is that the times will come, you jsut have to love what you are doing and let it come to you. This next summer will be just as great if not greater as I opt to go up to flagstaff around 10,000ft. in elevation or higher, and run 125-200 miles per week, the ENTIRE summer, w/ out taking the break weeks. I sure wana become the best, but it's just so much fun doing it in the summer. Plus I did 1,000 situps every day and 600 pushups every day. Comments anyone? Questions?

<HR>

You should be much faster over 5km off of that mileage. You're not recovering enough. And ALL those sit-ups and push-ups EVERY day! WHY?????
I have two friends in my club who run c. 60 miles a week; in the summer, they cruise round 5km on the track every two weeks in between 15.20 and 15. 40. One of the two does no strength training of any kind whatsoever. I couldn't care if every super-coach and distance-running star in the world contradicts this, but you're just not getting over the assaults you impose so regularly on yourself. Your times are still good, but could be MUCH better if you're strong enough to go through that 'training' (assuming best possible race results are your no.1 goal).

Guest

228. Mar 24, 2003 5:09 AM

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Re: Tips on training 100 miles a week?

quote:<HR>Originally posted by easyrun:
WOW WHAT A LONG TIME IT HAS BEEN!!!! I am so sorry everyone that I did not post back earlier as had been requested, but once school started up I got lazy on the computer and wasn't getting on it much, plus my password got lost and I was too lazy to ask for it! lol. Well I want to get down to how my XC season / Training went! Weekly miles went as follows...

44 week 1 in arizona < where i live
60 week 2 in california < vacation
70 week 3 in arizona
80 week 4 in arizona
100 week 5 in tennessee < where grandparents live
100 week 6 in tennessee
60 week 7 in hilton head island, south carolina < used to live here, visited friends, great time
100 week 8 in north carolina < XC camp / met great runner girl
100 week 9 in tennessee
100 week 10 in tennessee
60 week 11 in tennessee
80 week 12 in arizona < nice to get back but dang hot!! heh
*note: in week 11, i did the same workout on tuesday and thursday, and the workout was 3xmile w/ 2 min. jog between each mile. tuesday went 5:21, 5:15, 5:11. thursday went 5:13, 5:11, 5:03.
In our teams time trial I ran a 10:22 2.1 mile. then in the first meet, i ran a dissappointing 16:57, but was followed up by numerous horrible runs, such as 17:44 5k (this was run so bad due to the fact that it was the biggest invite and i decided to go out super hard and i died the whole way), 16:44 3 mile. then in the city meet i stepped it up w/ a better run of 16:37 5k to win the city meet, then a 16:40 5k which was the same exact course as where i ran the 17:44. then state i blew up again, i was never really in the race, and there were just way too many people to start out too fast, and i got caught up in all the people and could never move up until the end when it was too late, which got me a lousy 17:03 5k. then a couple weeks after that I ran in an open xc 5k run where i ran an impressive time of 16:01, which would have placed me 10th at the state meet. well track has come around, and i ran 680-700 miles over the winter vacation leading up to the start of track, and just ran a 9:56 3200, where my best at peaking last year was a 10:19, and I am hoping to get down to 9:20 because the flat track is where my stride is better suited for. Anymore questions just ask, it was the greatest summer of my life and will never forget that time. gosh it was such a comfortable feeling. the thought of warm summer trails, no school, endless miles out into nowhere, finding who you are. It is an experience like none other. The face is that the times will come, you jsut have to love what you are doing and let it come to you. This next summer will be just as great if not greater as I opt to go up to flagstaff around 10,000ft. in elevation or higher, and run 125-200 miles per week, the ENTIRE summer, w/ out taking the break weeks. I sure wana become the best, but it's just so much fun doing it in the summer. Plus I did 1,000 situps every day and 600 pushups every day. Comments anyone? Questions?

<HR>

kemibe

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Dec 14, 2007

229. Mar 24, 2003 7:45 AM

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Re: Tips on training 100 miles a week?

quote:<HR>Originally posted by mike penman:
You should be much faster over 5km off of that mileage. You're not recovering enough.<HR>

First: What's the rule for determining how fast someone has to be at a particular mileage load in order to justify that load? Is there a sliding scale? If someone doesn't run 16:30 within the first three months of his running life should he relegate himself to 50-mile weeks and potential mediocrity or might it still possibly be worthwhile for him to emulate the greats?

Second: Your claim that Easyrun is not recovering enough fails miserably in the face his obvious progression. He brought his 5K cross-country time down from 16:57 at the beginning of the season to 16:01 at season's end, and he started this spring at 9:56 for 3200m off training he's allegedly "not recovering from" after ending up last spring at 10:19, presumably tapered and sharp.

None of us know enough to determine whether Easyrun is in fact running tired much of the time, or whether his mileage level is "optimal." We can also attribute some indeterminate amount of his improvement to physical maturation. But based only on available and easily interpreted evidence, he's recovering just fine.

I have two friends in my club who run c. 60 miles a week; in the summer, they cruise round 5km on the track every two weeks in between 15.20 and 15. 40.

Doug Padilla ran about 13:30 off of much less mileage than that. Therefore, your two friends suck and should quit or at least cut back to c. 40 miles a week unless they knock about two minutes off their 5K times.

In all seriousness, does Easyrun get some slack on account of being just a teenager? Heck, not that it's relevant, but 16:01 on an XC course, even a flat one, is better than 15:40 on a track anyway.

Plenty of people do get into trouble with overtraining in the short term. However, it seems silly that so people are so often eager to condemn someone for running too much even when this observation is unsupported, yet when someone running 35 miles a week crashes in a marathon and someone has the gall (and common sense) to suggest he simply wasn't prepared to race that far, you'd think the critic was hurling insults at the crasher's mother.

Guest

230. Mar 24, 2003 9:19 AM

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Kemibe - obviously, at easyrun's age he deserves a lot of praise for even managing to discipline himself through all that work, regardless of whether he's raced off it or not.

The 'mileage - more or less?' issue has been battered to death and re-incarnated more than a million Buddhas on these forums, so let's not chase our tails any more with it.

What about the push-ups and sit-ups? You didn't comment.

Guest

231. Dec 22, 2007 1:19 PM

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Hey easyrun,
I haven't looked at this site for ages for lots of reasons, but it was so cool to read your report, and see how well you have done, not just with your improvement - but with your discipline to go out there and do it. You are awesome and an inspiration. I'm sure that you will go far - very far, if you keep up that attitude - don't let anyone deter you from your goals. I'm glad it felt so much fun for you too - I love the freedom of just running for the heck of it, and not worrying about times, and positions all the time.
A question: Do you have a coach? You have a lot of talent, but even more importantly for distance running, dedication and willingness to work hard - and you seem so coachable. You could really do with somebody good who could bring you on in a controlled fashion (just my opinion).
Don't worry about the naysayers who belittle your achievement. Although you've already seen some improvement, that sort of training will take years of similar work and effort before you really start to see the pay offs, but when you do it'll be worth it. Just look at Paula Radcliffe.
Mike Penman - maybe you could try doing 1000 sit ups and press ups a day and see if you notice any difference in your fitness and physique!
Way to go easyrun - keep up the good work.

http://This message has been edited by jib (edited Mar-24-2003).

lioness1

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Apr 1, 2001

232. Mar 24, 2003 3:38 PM

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easyrun, I just want to borrow some of your energy!

Sounds as if what you're doing is working for you--I hear a lot of enthusiasm and a sense of adventure in your post. If you were writing to say something like, "God I feel horrible--why am I doing this!" the appropriate response might be to suggest you back off. But you sound as if you've been hanging with this program for quite a while and are happy with how it's turning out. More power to you!

Guest

233. Dec 22, 2007 1:19 PM

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quote:<HR>Originally posted by jib:

Mike Penman - maybe you could try doing 1000 sit ups and press ups a day and see if you notice any difference in your fitness and physique!
Way to go easyrun - keep up the good work.

http://This message has been edited by jib (edited Mar-24-2003).<HR>

jib - I don't know if I could try doing 1000 sit-ups a day or (actually 600) press ups. I'm sure it would rip my physique more; NOT sure it would help my running any, or leave me with enough energy to give my runs my best shot. Tell me of a coach that advocates that as an integral part of distance runner's training, and who (s)he is.

Guest

234. Mar 25, 2003 8:55 AM

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Hi easyrun -Good job lad. Just keep on what your doing. You'll
find you"ll get even faster. Its a real pleasure to see a someonewith the motivation to do the mileage you've done. It will payoff for you in the long run. Your times are not unlike the timesI ran at your age. I ran consistent 70-80 miles/week. 2 years later I was running sub 15:00 for the distance. Ittakes a good deal of time to become a good runner. Lydiard said 4 years.I was lucky to have had a chance to meet him as a junior(under 19) he was a speaker at a track meet and I ran the 5k in 15:15. What a unique experience that has been.
I hope you have a good coach-sounds like it- and you also have the right attitude -thats also really important in becoming
a good runner. If you can always try to talk to some of older
faster runners- the guys who have maybe won Olympic medals or national championships. They will give you so
much inspiration. Like you they have had to start from somewhere. All the best to you with your running. Just
stick to it. Have a good season. Cheers

AndyHass

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Dec 14, 2007

235. Dec 22, 2007 1:19 PM

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easyrun,
It's good to see someone your age with the drive and dedication to train that much. It says a lot if you did that and did not get injured from it.
However, you must be careful how you proceed from here. You can't go to Flagstaff and run up to 200 mpw and necessarily expect your improvement to continue. Faster times (ESPECIALLY at 5k) depend on a lot more than the miles you have put in your legs. You also need to push down your aerobic threshhold and work on speed, which you can't do adequately if you are pumping out all those miles. You can't just increase miles and expect to keep getting better, if that were the case the elites would be running 300-400mpw, right?
I would suggest maybe a few weeks in the summer base-building period at up to 120 mpw (IF YOU CAN HANDLE IT). If you are still tired the next day, or start getting soreness or small injures, BACK OFF. You will be able to handle it if you get stronger, if you try to push thru mileage and injure yourself you will only go backwards. After these few weeks cut it back to 90-100 and get some good quality in. You will still be getting PLENTY of mileage.
Remember, all those miles will help you in years down the road but only if you do them right. 200mpw is probably not right. No matter how much you want it few runners can handle that and most who try end up with much-shortened careers. Approach it slowly but with determination and you will be rewarded.
It took me two years to get from 50-60mpw to 100mpw, and I have never been injured. I know many people who tried to do it more quickly and got injured and are now far behind me.
If you are serious about this kind of mileage I strongly suggest you get a coach experienced with runners whodo this much. You will find most who do marathoners, not 5k runners (this should be an indication to you that more mileage is not always the answer for the 5k). I know you probably feel you have learned a lot and know how to do it, but you don't. I'm not insulting you, you're just still young and can benefit from those with more experience. Don't be too proud to use it.

http://This message has been edited by AndyHass (edited Mar-25-2003).

Guest

236. Mar 25, 2003 3:15 PM

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quote:<HR>Originally posted by mike penman:
jib - I don't know if I could try doing 1000 sit-ups a day or (actually 600) press ups. I'm sure it would rip my physique more; NOT sure it would help my running any, or leave me with enough energy to give my runs my best shot. Tell me of a coach that advocates that as an integral part of distance runner's training, and who (s)he is.<HR>

Mike - I'm not advocating that you or anyone else for that matter should try it, but easyrun was prepared to take risks -good on him. He tried it for the sake of it - to see if he would improve. There have been plenty of great runners in the past that have tried doing far crazier things all in the pursuit of improvement - things that today might be considered pretty mainstream. Paula Radcliffe lifts some pretty heavy weights, and claims that it's brought her on a lot. There are many coaches that don't think marathon runners need to do any weight workouts. Grete Waitz claimed not to. Seb Coe also claimed to do 1000 sit ups a day, and Zatopek did some very weird stuff too. Just because you don't understand it - there's no need to dismiss it out of hand, and be so negative.
I do agree however that Easyrun could do with some professional guidance - it would be a shame for him to get too carried away and do himself more damaged than good. I don't think anyone can doubt his determination though.

Guest

237. Mar 26, 2003 4:26 AM

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jib - All fair comment. I agree totally, especially on the coaching point. I've nothing but admiration for easyrun's passion and hunger to work himself to achieve results. It would be a shame if such energy wasn't channelled as best as it could / should be.

gagirl066

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Nov 17, 2002

238. Mar 27, 2003 9:51 PM

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easyrun has two posts over in the Med Tent. One post is about hip flexor problems and the other is about sciatica. Maybe some of you can offer him some practical advice.

Guest

239. Mar 28, 2003 12:27 AM

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hip flexors fine now, butt still a little weak.

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