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72 Replies Last post: Nov 18, 2007 12:59 PM by fredurie   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 5 Previous Next
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16. Nov 13, 2005 5:20 PM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
Maybe the financing has something to do with it.
I would assume that promising Japanese marathoners are on government stipends to grind out volumes like that.

I don't know how it is in the US but you likely cannot live on promise you'll have to win races to get sponsors.

I cannot see someone in the US starting a 4 year program
hiking and jogging for 2 years (3 times a day, 150 miles a week) and doing no races in the third year.

Who is going to finance that?

College scholarships can't be a substitute for that.
You can't go to college and run three times a day.
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19. Nov 14, 2005 1:00 AM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
****, Leon... how are you going to get in all your weekly mileage if you're always on the computer like this?!?

Seriously, awesome thread -- just wanted to say thank you for all the information that I'm still reading through...
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21. Nov 14, 2005 1:11 AM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
One other thing that came to mind:

How come when people think about the success of Kenyan and Ethiopian runners, they talk about genetics and high altitude, but when they talk about Japanese runners it's because they are mentally tougher and dedicated to mileage? It seems a little racist to me.

One other thought, if somebody can build up to 180 mpw and sustain it for a good period of time, won't that person get pretty good? Not necessarily a world-beater, but somebody who could run that much and run strong would uncover or at least shed light on their potential it seems.
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23. Nov 14, 2005 10:25 AM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
quote:<HR>Originally posted by milkbaby:
How come when people think about the success of Kenyan and Ethiopian runners, they talk about genetics and high altitude, but when they talk about Japanese runners it's because they are mentally tougher and dedicated to mileage? It seems a little racist to me.<HR>


Not racist, just also rans looking for excuses.

Japanese/African/Paula Radcliff/other individuals from around the globe all have some things in common:

1> inherent ability,
2> confidence,
3> discipline,
4> determination,
5> focus.

Regardless of where or from whom you were born, you can only work on the last four.
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Aug 21, 2002
24. Nov 14, 2005 10:39 AM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
Like Denton said, when you taper from 100 miles a week to 50, you
are flying.

If you drop from 180 mile weeks down to 80-90, you can hammer some
serious workouts.

I would guess that not too many North American females have thought
about running 45 times 400 meters.

Awesome.
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25. Nov 14, 2005 10:44 PM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
quote:<HR>Hashizume:
I could not believe, only a week earlier, to read Dan Browne saying that he went over the course for the first time and thought it would be the toughest challenge. By then, the race is already half way done! Winning the Olympic marathon medal is no coincidence.
<HR>


Since I find this an interesting thread, here's a bump and reply to Manny and Fred... This is stating the obvious, but the things y'all mention fold into what Hashizume mentions about race preparation. There has to be something superior about the marathon preparation (which includes the running, nutrition, mental, what-have-you) of Kenyans, Japanese, and whoever else is winning marathons. There has to be something to it because of their consistency and ability to win.

I have no doubt that many American marathoners are working hard. Anybody who can run a 2:15 is no joke. You don't roll out of bed one day and run that kind of time. But that hard work is not taking them to the next level. There is a difference between working hard and winning.
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26. Nov 14, 2005 10:51 PM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
Another thing... what does that Boston or Bust link have to do with Japanese marathon training? I don't get it.
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27. Nov 15, 2005 10:30 AM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
Mayeroff trained with the Japanese females and he rolled
through the first 20 miles of Berlin? at 5:07.5 a mile.
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28. Nov 15, 2005 10:40 AM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
quote:<HR>Originally posted by fredurie:
Mayeroff trained with the Japanese females and he rolled
through the first 20 miles of Berlin? at 5:07.5 a mile.
<HR>


Any particular reason why he went out so fast?
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29. Nov 15, 2005 10:46 AM in response to: leon2
Re: japanese marathon training
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Alex from coolrunning:
Any particular reason why he went out so fast?<HR>


Because one of the Japanese coaches told him he was a
2:13 marathoner, and 2. He believes he can do it.