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20 Replies Last post: Apr 23, 2006 12:26 PM by AndyHass   1 2 Previous Next
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Apr 17, 2006 1:21 PM

US 25K record "gone"

It appear Meb just bettered the US 25K record (split can't be ratified, can it??) at Boston. The guy is running like a beast. Whatever happens, you can't say he didn't go for it!
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1. Apr 17, 2006 1:47 PM in response to: AndyHass
Re: US 25K record "gone"
and culpepper, sell, and gillmore rounding out some top 10. not so bad.

back to watching.
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2. Apr 17, 2006 1:55 PM in response to: AndyHass
Re: US 25K record "gone"
and a new CR??
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3. Apr 17, 2006 2:20 PM in response to: AndyHass
Re: US 25K record "gone"
yes. phil coppes, 30k, split from TCM, (and course record that day??)

they need to be set up - certified, timing, etc, at splits for it to be ratified, of course.

5 Americans round out top 10 - and three set PR's?! is that right?? How 'bout that Sell?? eh?

There's no doubt Meb went for it. Very, very fast day out there. Who doesn't respect that?
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4. Apr 17, 2006 3:44 PM in response to: AndyHass
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6 Americans in the top 11. Not too shabby.
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5. Apr 17, 2006 4:25 PM in response to: AndyHass
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ljwood, a CW regular, posted a 2:35, which I believe is a 7 minute PR for him

Andy, I'm sure you probably already know this, but I saw that Kevin Pline went 2:36, which isn't a PR (i think), but a great race none-the-less.
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6. Apr 17, 2006 6:40 PM in response to: AndyHass
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Donovan,
I was flipping back and forth between the elite updates and Kevin's splits. This was his 2nd fastest; he ran 2:31 at the Richmond Marathon while in grad school (2004 maybe?). He's been rounding back into shape lately (we usually do our track workouts together) just not back to 2:31/31:38 shape. I thought he could do as fast as 2:34 but it looks like he ran extremely even....he hasn't returned my call yet but I'm betting he went a little conservative.
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7. Apr 18, 2006 5:56 AM in response to: AndyHass
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It certainly was great to see so many Americans in the top 10 foir a change. It was a great day for racing. Mr T and I were just before mile 20, and we were cold with the wind in our faces most of the day, so it must have been a nice tailwind at that point for the runners and temps right around 50. I'm not surprised a course record was set.
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8. Apr 18, 2006 9:51 AM in response to: AndyHass
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so apparently Spira shoes won't be giving away their million bucks? hmmm oh darn magic shoes aren't the answer to everyone's running careers.
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9. Apr 20, 2006 11:44 AM in response to: AndyHass
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Wah, wah, wah. With all the wondering about whether en route times can count, you are all over looking that Meb's split can't be ratified because A, it's point to point a B, there's a hugely illegal 400+ foot drop between the start and the 25K point, which is one of the lowest parts of the whole course. Legal would be an almost loop and a drop of no more than 25 meters or 80 or so feet. 1/5 of the actual drop.
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10. Apr 20, 2006 3:51 PM in response to: AndyHass
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fine Whine:
Wah, wah, wah. With all the wondering about whether en route times can count, you are all over looking that Meb's split can't be ratified because A, it's point to point a B, there's a hugely illegal 400+ foot drop between the start and the 25K point, which is one of the lowest parts of the whole course. Legal would be an almost loop and a drop of no more than 25 meters or 80 or so feet. 1/5 of the actual drop.<HR>


Why do you think I mentioned I didn't think it could be ratified. Next time you could try posting the information without the juvenile intro...people will take you a lot more seriously.
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11. Apr 20, 2006 4:11 PM in response to: AndyHass
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fine Whine:
Wah, wah, wah. With all the wondering about whether en route times can count, you are all over looking that Meb's split can't be ratified because A, it's point to point a B, there's a hugely illegal 400+ foot drop between the start and the 25K point, which is one of the lowest parts of the whole course. Legal would be an almost loop and a drop of no more than 25 meters or 80 or so feet. 1/5 of the actual drop.<HR>


Records can be set on point-to-point courses if they can prove that it was not wind assisted. (not the same as closed loop and the near-loop rule) Yes, the drop makes it ineligible in this case. That's a point. Most courses, even if eligible, are not set up to record or accept an attempt at a record by split. Sometimes, rarely, they are. 'K?
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12. Apr 20, 2006 8:12 PM in response to: AndyHass
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An example of pre-arranging the use of splits for record purposes was Deena Kastor's recent half marathon, where I believe she went for the 15K and 10 mile records.
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13. Apr 21, 2006 10:48 AM in response to: AndyHass
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...and H.G. in AZ this January for his H.M. WR attempt. (20k split cert.) Also - this was not a closed loop.
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14. Apr 21, 2006 6:25 PM in response to: AndyHass
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by AndyHass:
Next time you could try posting the information without the juvenile intro...people will take you a lot more seriously.<HR>


WAH, WAH, WAH.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by obsessor:
...and H.G. in AZ this January for his H.M. WR attempt. (20k split cert.) Also - this was not a closed loop.<HR>


Wah, wah, wah. To pick nits - I didn't say a course has to be a closed loop to be record eligible. I used the term "almost-loop" although that is misleading too. As long as the distance between the start and finish lines does not exceed 30% of the race distance and the elevation standard is met, the course is golden. As you said - if the separation's greater than that and someone runs an apparent record, there has to be evidence that there was no significant tailwind for at least half of the race (and I don't know what "significant" is, I am just going by USATF rules).
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