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hopper3011

317 posts since
Feb 27, 2001

30. Aug 1, 2006 2:11 PM

in response to: How we Run

quote:<HR>In that world, running multiple marathons in a short time period is looked upon as good training.<HR>

I'm getting a little bored of the juvenile (also repetitive and illiterate) resposes from the idiot parade, so in order to bring a bit of sanity to this board, I'll respond to that comment and disagree. Bruce Fordyce didn't run multiple marathons in a short space of time, and I can't bring to mind anybody that does, although I'd be interested to hear about it if you know someone. Fordyce would do longer runs, at a very easy pace and 1 or 2 marathons in a build up, but definitely not at full effort.
I suppose the Tourette's sufferer and his boyfriend will continue to ruin this board, but let's give it a try.

RTCRUNR

396 posts since
May 25, 2002

31. Dec 22, 2007 2:18 PM

in response to: How we Run

Chuck,
If you can run 2:34 off what you've been doing, I honestly think that you can run a good bit faster than 2:31. Certainly talent becomes a limiting factor at some point, but I would think you could go well under 2:30 and probably under 2:25. Beyond that, who knows. Doing a marathon at a pretty good clip every week has to wear on you. Plus, recovery between those efforts doesn't really allow you to get in any faster intervals during your week nor does it allow you to have consistent solid mileage throughout the week. You obviously have the ability to recover well, meaning you could probably hold up to some pretty serious training. You can go faster if you want.

Edited to add: Didn't you run a pretty good number of marathons the year you ran your PR? You'll probably have to cut that back if you want to run as fast as possible. Not saying you have to spend the entire year training for just one race, but you won't be able to run a marathon a month. I remember when Michael Wardian qualified for the Trials in 2003 that he said he had to cut back on his racing and focus on the training in order to do it. He still ran plenty of races, but he reduced the number and did shorter events than the marathon. He also said he considered racing less to be a sacrifice, but he did it because he wanted to qualify for the Trials and see how fast he could run.

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Marathonjunkie

16 posts since
Jun 21, 2006

32. Aug 1, 2006 3:33 PM

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Shocker.....hopper disagreed with someone!! Talk about repetitive and junvenile. I think hopper has it down to a science.

RTC....I will agree with Wardian. Not racing as much would be a sacrifice. I guess that will have to be a personal decision relatively quickly on my part. I did give competitive running at shorter distances a shot earlier in my career. It just seems that with age most everyone goes from short fast races to longer and slower races. I wonder how soon the Ultra will be an olympic event?

RTCRUNR

396 posts since
May 25, 2002

33. Aug 1, 2006 3:47 PM

in response to: How we Run

quote:<HR>Originally posted by hopper3011:

In that world, running multiple marathons in a short time period is looked upon as good training.<HR>

I'm getting a little bored of the juvenile (also repetitive and illiterate) resposes from the idiot parade, so in order to bring a bit of sanity to this board, I'll respond to that comment and disagree.

I'll agree with hopper on that one. I know a lot of ultra guys do run multiple marathon races as part of training, but I don't know if it's optimal or not. If you look at a lot of the top guys, they actually race less frequently than others. I'm sure they probably run close to a marathon or even more most every week in training, but as far as getting in actual races, I don't know that they do. The better ones I know of don't.

Chuck,
It'll probably be a while before you see the ultra in the Olympics, but you could always shoot for a spot on the US team for the World 100k.

hopper3011

317 posts since
Feb 27, 2001

34. Aug 1, 2006 4:00 PM

in response to: How we Run

quote:<HR>I suppose the Tourette's sufferer and his boyfriend will continue to ruin this board, but let's give it a try.<HR>

Quod erat demonstrandum:

quote:<HR>Shocker.....hopper disagreed with someone!! Talk about repetitive and junvenile. I think hopper has it down to a science.<HR>

Marathonjunkie

16 posts since
Jun 21, 2006

35. Dec 22, 2007 2:18 PM

in response to: How we Run

And finally a great Latin response from the queen of the tools. Hopper ante up and email me directly when you have something legitimate to say to me. I am done with CR and posting. It is great to know that rejects from the UK can poisen a thread. And the fact that so man people have emailed me and told me that you have done it for years. You truly are a sluge sucking, sewer dwelling sack of ****. What a great life you have. I am so impressed by the way you have set your own goals and achieved the. Hopper it was fun to know you in cyberspace. If you ever get the balls please introduce yourself when you see me at a race. I promise I won't slug you. I am sure in real life you are a smart and great guy that I would drink a pint with. I wish you the best in your personal running endeavors, like you have any, and your worship of the guys who run at the Crystal Palace. I hope your continued vigilance at posting annoying and negative comments on CR wins you fans and admiration that you are so deserving of. Godspeed in your persuit.

MJ signing off. Thanks to RTC, laker, CRrunningman and those who have supported me during my 15 minutes of fame. There will always be the mules like hopper that ruin our goodtimes and we will always be forced to ignore there juvenile antics and hopeless attempts to redicule for their apparent issues with insecurity. Maybe his wife told him he was not only a wanker but that his wanker was small.

Done with this!!! and of to run a few more miles.

MJ.

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hopper3011

317 posts since
Feb 27, 2001

36. Aug 2, 2006 3:12 AM

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quote:<HR>I am done with CR and posting.<HR>

I can only hope that this is true, I doubt it, a publicity hound like you will be sniffing around again soon.
In truth, I'm not surprised that you are running away, it's obviously a speciality of yours.

quote:<HR>I promise I won't slug you.<HR>

I know you won't, you obviously run away from any real challenge. You run away from the possibility of finding out how fast you can be - scared to discover your limits I suppose - and opt for a made up "challenge" that you can't lose because you are making the rules. You've settled for being mediocre, so you think you can get the applause you crave by being mediocre a lot. Keep running away, I would rather have people hating on me for telling it like it is than the bunch of sycophants you've collected to support your faked up endeavours.
Bye-bye, coward.

rbbmoose

324 posts since
Oct 12, 2007

37. Aug 2, 2006 8:44 AM

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Hopper - I won't hurl any insults at you - Your last message says more about you than any rant I could come up with.

Ray

hopper3011

317 posts since
Feb 27, 2001

38. Aug 2, 2006 9:08 AM

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So you have nothing to say - but you felt compelled to share that with us, thanks for that.
The number of people who idolise mediocrity will never fail to surprise me.

fredurie

1,979 posts since
Aug 21, 2002

39. Aug 2, 2006 9:12 AM

in response to: How we Run

quote:<HR>Originally posted by hopper3011:

In that world, running multiple marathons in a short time period is looked upon as good training.<HR>

I'm getting a little bored of the juvenile (also repetitive and illiterate) resposes from the idiot parade, so in order to bring a bit of sanity to this board, I'll respond to that comment and disagree. Bruce Fordyce didn't run multiple marathons in a short space of time, and I can't bring to mind anybody that does, although I'd be interested to hear about it if you know someone. Fordyce would do longer runs, at a very easy pace and 1 or 2 marathons in a build up, but definitely not at full effort.
I suppose the Tourette's sufferer and his boyfriend will continue to ruin this board, but let's give it a try.

Fordyce also worked on his mile speed, and was around
4:15.

fredurie

1,979 posts since
Aug 21, 2002

40. Dec 22, 2007 2:18 PM

in response to: How we Run

http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Comrades/0,,2-9-1629_1721259,00.html[/URL" target="_blank">

"The year before 1985 I started doing a lot of work on the track, the first year that I ever did track racing. I did a lot of 5 000m, 10 :000m and 1 500m, that sort of stuff, so I picked up a lot more speed.

"Also, for the first time in several years I hadn't run a second ultra. You know, I used to run the London to Brighton after Comrades and then the one year I ran the 50-mile champs in the second half of the year and so I was doing two major ultras a year.

"But in '85 I decided not to, I just ran Comrades, so in fact it was a year since I had gone that hard over such a long distance I think that helped."

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zdesmond

31 posts since
May 19, 2005

41. Aug 2, 2006 10:07 AM

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MJ,

You should seriously consider triathlons if you are punching out centuries at a 19.6mph. While far from an elite time, with your running abilities and if you are a moderate swimmer you probably are already good enough to qualify for Kona and with a bit more time in the saddle you could probably be pretty competitive.

Running is great, but triathlons are a blast to do (even if I so really suck at swimming).

Actually, all of you super fast runners should think about tri's -- it would take a little while to build the base needed to be good on the bike, but your run speeds are so fast and your aerobic capacity so high that I can't imagine that you wouldn't all be successful.

exciton

317 posts since
Nov 2, 2004

42. Aug 2, 2006 3:50 PM

in response to: How we Run

quote:<HR>Originally posted by hopper3011:

In that world, running multiple marathons in a short time period is looked upon as good training.<HR>

I'm getting a little bored of the juvenile (also repetitive and illiterate) resposes from the idiot parade, so in order to bring a bit of sanity to this board, I'll respond to that comment and disagree. Bruce Fordyce didn't run multiple marathons in a short space of time, and I can't bring to mind anybody that does, although I'd be interested to hear about it if you know someone. Fordyce would do longer runs, at a very easy pace and 1 or 2 marathons in a build up, but definitely not at full effort.
I suppose the Tourette's sufferer and his boyfriend will continue to ruin this board, but let's give it a try.

Dusan Mravlje ran 25 miles per day for two years leading up to his 1995 Trans America win.

I've already cited Tom Possert and his consecutive marathon training.

Ray Krolewicz (highest number of ultra wins of any runner) would run marathons on consecutive days. The most he did was 18 days, but he says the only reason he stopped there was to go back to work. His training reached 250 mpw at times and his 100K was sub-7 pace.

I agree that Bruce Fordyce did not do this.

Not to mention the many racing events in which runners run multiple marathons per day for six, ten, 40, 60 days straight.

Hopper, are you mad at life or something? Is there a reason to get so nasty here? Is it just for fun? Just would like to know how to respond. If it's tongue in cheek, then it makes more sense.

I just like to talk about running, whether it's one mile or 3100 miles.

hopper3011

317 posts since
Feb 27, 2001

43. Aug 3, 2006 7:48 AM

in response to: How we Run

quote:<HR>Hopper, are you mad at life or something?<HR>

Actually no, but I am fairly outspoken and if someone has a go at me for expressing my views, as non-PC as they might be, I tend to snap back fairly harshly.
Anyway, I thought your change of subject was interesting. I have never seen much of Krolewicz's training, and what you've said seems to fly in the face of much of what I've read and what has worked for me (I've done Comrades a couple of times but I wouldn't call myself an ultra-runner - although I do intend to have a serious bash at London-to-Brighton soon).
As I have always understood it (and what I've practiced) the weekly mileage of an ultra-runner is somewhat lower than that of a marathoner (and I have found that I run better marathon off lower mileage than for 10 and 5k training) simply because you do big runs and then recover for several days. A marathoner might take 1-2 days recovery after a big run an ultraguy might take 3-4?
A couple of questions: were the 18 marathons part of a training schedule, or was it just to see if it could be done? and, what were the results?

exciton

317 posts since
Nov 2, 2004

44. Aug 3, 2006 1:38 PM

in response to: How we Run

quote:<HR>Originally posted by hopper3011:

Hopper, are you mad at life or something?<HR>
Actually no, but I am fairly outspoken and if someone has a go at me for expressing my views, as non-PC as they might be, I tend to snap back fairly harshly.
Anyway, I thought your change of subject was interesting. I have never seen much of Krolewicz's training, and what you've said seems to fly in the face of much of what I've read and what has worked for me (I've done Comrades a couple of times but I wouldn't call myself an ultra-runner - although I do intend to have a serious bash at London-to-Brighton soon).
As I have always understood it (and what I've practiced) the weekly mileage of an ultra-runner is somewhat lower than that of a marathoner (and I have found that I run better marathon off lower mileage than for 10 and 5k training) simply because you do big runs and then recover for several days. A marathoner might take 1-2 days recovery after a big run an ultraguy might take 3-4?
A couple of questions: were the 18 marathons part of a training schedule, or was it just to see if it could be done? and, what were the results?

I also seem to do okay with lower mileage training, but this situation is forced in part by my busy life schedule. What has worked well for me has been to actually use ultras as my longest runs and to run a race once a month or so in addition to running short road races. I'd love to do Comrades or London to Brighton. I will aim to do these, but it might be a few years. Let me ask RayK about that training bout and subsequent race particulars and I'll get back to you.

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