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Click to view jemmama's profile Legend 260 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

Mar 20, 2007 11:21 AM

hydration question

Drinking water while running, even small sips, gives me a stomach ache. And drinking much before running makes need to go to the bathroom. Now that my runs are getting longer (longest is 10 miles) and the weather is warming up, I'm anticipating needing to drink more. I sweat a lot. Maybe drinking a flavored drink like Gatorade will go down easier? If that does work, I'll need to figure out how to carry it. I don't like holding a bottle while I run, and I don't think I'll have time to go out and plant bottles along my route.

Thanks for your suggestions!
Click to view jdmom3's profile Legend 252 posts since
Mar 29, 2005
1. Mar 20, 2007 11:37 AM in response to: jemmama
Jemmama, it certainly is worth exploring sports drinks to see if there is one that will not upset your stomach. I know that many people have problems with one or another of the drinks but usually can find one that goes down relatively easily. As for how to carry it - if you don't like holding a bottle and can't plant bottles, your best bet is either a fuel belt or a camelback. A fuelbelt is a belt that fits around your waist with places to put bottles while you run. A camelback is either a waist or backpack type contraption that holds water or sports drink in a reservoir. You sip through a tube I believe. As the weather warms up, you will need to start drinking on longer runs. My rule of thumb is that, in hot weather, I take water with me on any run that will take over an hour. In cooler temps, I take water on runs over 10 or 11 miles. It may take some trial and error to find something that works, but it will be worth it in the form of more enjoyable runs.

Meg
Click to view Canfit's profile Legend 1,056 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
2. Mar 20, 2007 11:52 AM in response to: jemmama
Just ot add to jdmom3, you'll also have to experiment with how much to drink. I sweat a great deal as well (got this from my mom) and probably go thru one Gatorade every 1-1.5 hrs. I've tried water (doesn't work for me) and other drinks like e-Load, but Gatorade seems to work best. Again, experiment with flavours - I stick to the 'blue' during my long runs. I also wear a fuel belt on any run over one hour ...don't really need any liquid under this (for me at least).
Good luck,
PJ
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3. Mar 20, 2007 12:00 PM in response to: jemmama
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Canfit:
Just ot add to jdmom3, you'll also have to experiment with how much to drink. I sweat a great deal as well (got this from my mom) and probably go thru one Gatorade every 1-1.5 hrs. I've tried water (doesn't work for me) and other drinks like e-Load, but Gatorade seems to work best. Again, experiment with flavours - I stick to the 'blue' during my long runs. I also wear a fuel belt on any run over one hour ...don't really need any liquid under this (for me at least).
Good luck,
PJ
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During the run I like Gatorade to be a 1:1 ratio mixed with water, and after the run I usually just Gatorade. Also, some of Gatorade will give heart burn, so I try to only Grape.
Click to view jura's profile Legend 574 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Mar 21, 2007 12:01 AM in response to: jemmama
Some great advise already. Hehe, I remember asking the same thing last summer
Some other ideas:
- leave some water or sports drink in your car and do laps of your choice of distance or time eg.: 30min laps, then hydrate and go on the next lap.
- or even easier, do the same thing from home.
- go on routes where you know there are waterfountains, in some parks, for example.
I personally don't like the idea of planting bottles, I never trust it to be hygienic to drink from by the time I get to it. I always think it could have been tampered with by someone or an animal... I use all of the above mentioned ideas for hydrating, depending on the situation. I have a fuel belt too, but prefer a handheld bottle because I dont like to have anything around my waist when running. I haven't tried the camelback yet.
Canfit, I am a blue Gatoraid fan, too. Must be a canajun thing... I use the powder.


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Click to view Karl Rysted's profile Legend 512 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
5. Mar 21, 2007 7:05 AM in response to: jemmama
The longer you're out there, like if you're running a half marathon or longer, you need electrolytes. You didn't mention whether you use jels or what, but Gatorade will provide that. Most runners I know find Gatorade easier on their stomach than Powerade. Water works fine for flushing down Shot Bloks, which I often use, or jels to get your electrolytes. As far as stashing bottles, I do that and carry a bottle because I sweat a lot too and have to hydrate constantly. Nobody has ever tampered with a bottle, but they have been stolen occasionally.

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Click to view nighthawk42's profile Pro 119 posts since
Nov 4, 2005
6. Mar 21, 2007 10:37 AM in response to: jemmama
If plain water is giving you a stomach ache, it sounds like the water is not being absorbed and is sloshing around. If that is the case then you might be drinking too much before the run, even though you don't have to pee. Also try smaller sips of water.

Hydration is important, but it can also be over done. The body can only absorb about 6-7 oz every 15 minutes so drink accordingly. Another aspect of water absorption is electrolyte balance. This is usually true for marathons or greater, and that is when you run low on electrolytes the body has a hard time absorbing water so it ends up sitting in the stomach causing distress. In your case at less than 10 miles, I would doubt electrolytes are the culprit, but you might want to try having something salty before your run, or even a banana. Remember, gels are not for electrolyte replacement, they are for energy. And speaking of gels (or Gu's, which are the same thing) if you are taking them on your run, you must wash them down with water or that could be what is causing the stomach problems.

Mike
Click to view DaveVause's profile Community Moderator 690 posts since
Jul 9, 2007
7. Mar 21, 2007 12:18 PM in response to: jemmama
Ultimately the solution for you will be an individual one: we all react very differently to what we eat/drink on a run. Gatorade will absorb more quickly than water, that may help. Some need to water it down.

I sip water and do a gel every 30-60 minutes. But I have a cast iron stomach when it comes to running.

As for stashing bottles, I don't like to do that. What really works for me:
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Fuelbelt's smaller bottles don't slosh as much.

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Click to view Karl Rysted's profile Legend 512 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Mar 21, 2007 2:12 PM in response to: jemmama
You're welcome! Btw, just to clarify something nighthawk42 said, gels are usually used for energy and electrolyte replacement. Otherwise you could just suck on packets of honey if you don't want electrolytes.
Click to view ced53's profile Legend 730 posts since
May 25, 2007
10. Mar 21, 2007 4:34 PM in response to: jemmama
Actually Karl, you're correct about the honey, that's essentially what gels are. Here's the info on one:

Calories 91
Total Fat 0 gm.
Saturated Fat 0 gm.
Cholesterol 0 mg.
Sodium 27 mg.
Total Carbohydrates 23 gm.
Dietary Fiber 0 gm.
Sugars 2 gm.
Protein 0 gm.

Electrolytes need to include stuff like:

Sodium (as Sodium Chloride) 40 mg.
Chloride(as Sodium Chloride) 60 mg.
Calcium (Chelate) 50 mg.
Magnesium (Chelate) 25 mg.
Potassium (Chelate) 25 mg.
Vitamin B-6 (Pyrodoxine HCL) 6.6 mg.
Manganese (Chelate) 1.6 mg.
L-Tyrosine 50 mg.

Gatorade has a bit. Endurance has more. Ecaps or other additives have even more.

-Craig
Click to view Egret's profile Legend 408 posts since
Aug 14, 2007
11. Mar 21, 2007 5:45 PM in response to: jemmama
As the weather heats up and you lose more fluids running longer, you'll want to get your issue of absorbing the electrolytes in your liquids settled first.

As Nighthawk says, power gels are less about electrolytes and hydration than energy on longer runs. I only use gels when I am running 16 miles or more but as Meg does, I carry and usually use fluids on every run over an hour. I use a fuel belt and bottle.

The gels can wait until later in the season once you've figured out your fluid replacement technique and your miles increase.

GL
Egret
Click to view Karl Rysted's profile Legend 512 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
12. Dec 22, 2007 8:07 PM in response to: jemmama
I'm tired of arguing about some gels on the market. Obviously I would recommend one that has plenty of electrolytes, but it doesn't matter what I think.

Happy running, Jem!

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Click to view Spareribs823's profile Legend 1,859 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
13. Mar 21, 2007 6:45 PM in response to: jemmama
Glad to hear you are tired of arguing about it Karl, and there is no need to become impatient with others who have knowledge on the subject. The others were trying to help. You made a slight error is all. Generally speaking, gels are not about electrolytes, they are about energy. Nighthawk and the Pro are correct. And unless it is hot, OR you sweat heavily, (as you do), electrolyte replacement is generally not a big worry for the half distance or less. Spareribs
Click to view TheAlien's profile Rookie 1 posts since
Mar 18, 2007
14. Mar 22, 2007 2:49 PM in response to: jemmama
I found this thread so interesting. I use isotonic gel bars which deliver lower carbs (and of course have the electrolytes), but means that they do not have ot get washed down by the water.

This means the hydration strategy is purely about that, hydration and not getting the gel/fluid balance right. I use Lucozade Isotonic (Orange) - UK runner here - and have the same diffiuclty of storage.

I find 500ml water pre-run, then 500ml Lucozade per hour running to be adequate. I run circuits of one hour duration, or run to friends/family houses and pick up supplies en-route. This means I get to see them all the day before when I drop them off - and usually have lunch with one of them when I actually finish my run at their place.

This works for me but happily, everyone is different.

Happy running one and all.