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60. Apr 5, 2007 1:08 PM in response to: JPGarland
Re: April 50 Plus Training and Racing
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Spareribs:
you mentioned the Pro gave you some feedback here. He is as competent to do this as anyone I know, so if you want his comments here as well I will go fetch him for you now. He is having a busy day at work he tells me, but I assume he will post by tomorrow.<HR>


Is it just me, or does the Pro sound like a sock puppet that Spareribs keeps in his dresser drawer?

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61. Apr 5, 2007 1:24 PM in response to: JPGarland
Re: April 50 Plus Training and Racing
I find it interesting to read everyone's discussion on the number of miles one needs to average per day to effectively run a marathon without dieing near the end. 9 miles per day average or 1/3 of the 26.2 mile marathon distance. I like that.

Last year, when I was training hard for my marathon, I averaged probably between 55 and 70 miles a week for the last 4 or 5 months before tapering. 70 seemed too much for me time-wise given my slow speed. It took too many hours a week. But I persisted where the plan called for it.

Many of my local running club members thought I was nuts (and still do for that matter) to run that many miles. No one ran as much as I did, even the good marathoners in the club. But I just somehow knew (or at least it seemed to make sense to me) that one can't run a good marathon without really putting in the miles.

Thanks for making me feel not so nuts.

Bill

PS: Spareribs, people miss you on the daily thread, but I can understand why you may no longer do so ...

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62. Apr 5, 2007 1:59 PM in response to: JPGarland
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by fredurie:
Tuesday - 13 miles
Wednesday - 13 miles
Thursday - 13 miles

I could probably run 100 miles next week, but I don't know if I will.
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Are these all singles? How often do you use doubles when running 100+ miles?
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63. Apr 5, 2007 2:06 PM in response to: JPGarland
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Wow what a plethora of information we have today?I LOVE IT! You guys are just one of the many reasons that I love this forum, the experience and knowledge that so many of you have here as proven absolutely invaluable to me.

In reference to the mileage base I have certainly found that I have to put in the miles with a fairly good portion of those miles being ?quality miles? to be successful at the marathon. But once again I am still learning and will be completing only my 10th marathon at Boston next week. I tend to agree that we are all so different and that what works for one may not necessarily work for you, but it is always good to hear what is out there and try different techniques.

Well I woke up this morning at about 3:00 as I heard our phones beep as the power briefly came back on and then saw a huge flash outside as a transformer blew and we lost power for good (got it back at 10:30 this morning according to DW). So I ended up getting up and going outside to clean up the 13 to 14 inches of fresh wet and heavy spring snow we had received over night.

I then ended up going to the gym (I really dread the treadmill this time of year and thought I was done with it until next fall) for my run today so that I could take a shower before heading into work which was an absolute zoo!

Thursday?s run (Ribs I really liked the way your ?wave? looked and thought it would work good for me on some of my training runs, so I figured I would give it a try today under controlled circumstances (treadmill): 9.02 Miles 1:11:17 (7:54)

I did a nice comfortable warm up mile then alternated each mile:

Warm up - 8:58
Approximate Marathon Pace - 7:35
Easy - 8:52
Approximate HM Pace - 6:56
Easy - 8:52
Approximate 5K Pace - 6:28
Easy - 8:50
Sub 6 mile - 5:59 just wanted to see if I could hold it together after 7 miles ? did it!
Warm down - 8:47

After Boston I have a couple of 5K?s and a 5 miler that I really want to work on. I know that I have a chance at placing in my age group especially in the Law Enforcement category. Plus I would like to start working on getting my times down in those shorter distances anyways.

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64. Apr 5, 2007 2:41 PM in response to: JPGarland
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by bobscamman:
But once again I am still learning and will be completing only my 10th marathon at Boston next week. I
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Bob,

I love your enthusiasm, but you say "ONLY my 10th marathon" ? That's a lot of marathons for someone who just started running in 2003.
Not than anyone should run as few as I have, but in 29 years I've completed 7 of them. I'm not so sure that I'd be still running at 61 had I run them at the rate many of you are.
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65. Apr 5, 2007 2:58 PM in response to: JPGarland
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This is the program the Pro suggested. I think I have followed it pretty much to the letter. I try to contact him about once a week with an update and he is very generous with his responses.

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I'll use the track this week and try for an 8:30 mile. I'll buy the beer it happens. I hope you all have a great Easter weekend and I'll check in Tuesday after I do those timed miles.
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66. Apr 5, 2007 5:54 PM in response to: JPGarland
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Thursday

6 miles easy. It's time to toss the shoes I ran in today, my legs are sore and I'm blaming the shoes. I'm hoping the 556 miles on 'em is the culprit...

Bob, you've got to love N.E.'s weather, who else gets a foot of snow in April...
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67. Apr 5, 2007 6:36 PM in response to: JPGarland
Re: April 50 Plus Training and Racing
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Spareribs:

One point that you have made over and over Sun, and I wish others would heed it, is the distance work needed to run the marathon successfully, the 63 miles or three times the daily average formula. There may be people out there who are anomalies, but for the most part, that one is a winner. It has always worked for me. Run the miles, have a great race. Cheat a bit, and die at the end.

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<tiptoeing in> Are you saying that to successfully run a marathon, your average weekly mileage should be 63 miles? I have never heard of the 3X the daily average formula. Do you mind clarifying? <tiptoeing back out>
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68. Apr 5, 2007 6:51 PM in response to: JPGarland
Re: April 50 Plus Training and Racing
quote:<HR>Originally posted by cajohnson5:
<tiptoeing in> Are you saying that to successfully run a marathon, your average weekly mileage should be 63 miles? I have never heard of the 3X the daily average formula. Do you mind clarifying? <tiptoeing back out><HR>


Cheryl,

Ah, some of these starchy old guys think life is governed by rules instead of vice-versa.

It's highly unlikely there is a cut-and-dried rule like this that leads to optimum success for everyone.

To answer your question, it's all a matter of how you define running a marathon "successfully." Tetsujin runs marathons on a base of close to zero miles a week, he has fun, and I would judge his experiences to be mostly "successful."

But let these guys discuss and debate. It's entertaining to read, in spite of the abuse Spareribs heaps upon me, and once in a while I learn something from people like Sun Raider.

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69. Dec 22, 2007 8:48 PM in response to: JPGarland
Re: April 50 Plus Training and Racing
quote:<HR>Originally posted by cajohnson5:
<tiptoeing in> Are you saying that to successfully run a marathon, your average weekly mileage should be 63 miles? I have never heard of the 3X the daily average formula. Do you mind clarifying? <tiptoeing back out><HR>


Well cajohnson, I see Dark Horse has answered your question. Tiptoe back on out now. Just kidding. Hard to tell the cretins from the runners. I have responded to you privately. Spareribs

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70. Apr 5, 2007 9:05 PM in response to: JPGarland
Re: April 50 Plus Training and Racing
Euphie,
It's all dark here in the sock drawer. I can't make out anything. There's mismatches all over. How does ribs dress himself?
Run til you puke.
-CASgggggggggggg
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72. Apr 6, 2007 7:58 AM in response to: JPGarland
Re: April 50 Plus Training and Racing
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Spareribs:

One point that you have made over and over Sun, and I wish others would heed it, is the distance work needed to run the marathon successfully, the 63 miles or three times the daily average formula. There may be people out there who are anomalies, but for the most part, that one is a winner. It has always worked for me. Run the miles, have a great race. Cheat a bit, and die at the end.

<HR>


Received your note and appreciated the additional insight. Can anyone please suggest reading material that follows this concept, or steer me in the direction of an on-line training schedule? Based on recommendations on this site, I did order Daws Running Your Best, but am unaware if it contains any schedules. Thanks. cj
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73. Dec 22, 2007 8:48 PM in response to: JPGarland
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Cindy, Daws' book "Running Your Best" contains several schedules for beginners, average runners and elite runners at all distances up to the marathon.

Also, if you want to see more citations or references to the three times daily average metric, go to Google and type in: marathon three times daily average. You will see all sorts of articles that discuss it. Spareribs

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74. Apr 6, 2007 9:19 AM in response to: JPGarland
Re: April 50 Plus Training and Racing
Friday - 30 degrees with bright sun and a bit of a breeze, I'll take it!

6.05 miles with a goal pace at about one minute slower than marathon pace of 7:38

52:10 - (8:37)

Avg HR 131 / Max HR 139

I'm off to stuff some race packets for the Boston Marathon today so I won't be on-line until later this evening or early tomorrow morning, see ya!

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