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Click to view DaveinAA035's profile Legend 742 posts since
Dec 18, 2005
30. Apr 3, 2007 10:33 AM in response to: Johnnystella7
Morning all,

Like MarkGuy, I got out this morning to try to beat the rain (and later, snow) that are headed our way. Woohoo--April in Michigan. 8 miles with the middle 4 at tempo, 6:49 avg. pace. I struggled a bit today in the wind, on tired legs.

MarkGuy, for 800m repeats on the UM track, you can use the 4-turn stagger marks. The one in Lane 1 is labeled 4x200m. I think they are the black lines.

Choovie, a general rule of thumb, which I have completely made up but which seems to work from 5k up to the marathon, is that to run a race of X miles, you should have a base of at least 2X miles per week. So a HM on 15 mpw is pushing it IMO.

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Click to view vista129's profile Legend 801 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
31. Apr 3, 2007 10:37 AM in response to: Johnnystella7
pmcneb........I understand your question of when the long runs get easy.

My limited experience says that you will probably notice the benefits of the LONGER (10 mile) runs on your SHORT runs. The short runs will just seem easier and probably quicker.

Consistently running that 10 mile run each week will eventually get easier in time as your system adapts to that distance. At that time it will be good to add a couple more miles to your long run and the cycle begins again.

You WILL arrive to a time when 10 miles does not seem so bad. Keep working it.



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Click to view Barefoot Rick's profile Legend 329 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
32. Apr 3, 2007 10:47 AM in response to: Johnnystella7
I didn't really want to start a whole new thread for this but I found this interesting as I hope some of you will. Lisa Brock's letter is so typical of the uninformed segment of our society that does not understand nor wants to regarding the benefits of BF running.

Chris Wagner gives a pretty good rebuttal.

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Running barefoot is risky

While it is not uncommon to read articles in The Star that have missing elements to the story, as a health-care professional I felt compelled to write regarding the ?barefoot runner? in Star Magazine (3/25, ?Barefoot in the park?).

Nowhere in the lengthy profile of this individual who runs marathons barefoot is the risk of potential infection addressed.

Hospitals see individuals every day with life-altering blood infections. Some are due to accidents involving falls off ladders and with mowers and, yes, incidents involving barefoot people stepping on glass, nails, etc.

Two questions:

First, why was there not expanded reporting or an interview with an internal medicine physician regarding the dangers of this activity? (A small blurb with an orthopedic doctor discussing arches doesn?t really count.)

Second, I would be interested if the runner?s insurance company provides full coverage to someone who displays high-risk behavior.

It is interesting that this individual who cares so much about his cardiovascular system that he runs and works out, has so little regard for his feet. I pray no kids read this article and think it is a ?cool? idea to try.

Lisa Brock
Mission Kansas

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Barefoot running

Lisa Brock (3/30, Letters) writes about the dangers of barefoot running. Clearly, she has never tried it herself, nor has she researched the topic.

Ms. Brock seems to think that barefoot runners are blissfully ignorant of both personal hygiene and the hazards in their path. If anything, they are more attuned to their environment, especially to the surface on which they are running.

I have experienced greater hazards from dog bites while running than by going barefoot. An overpadded pair of Nikes would not have prevented that Lhasa apso from clamping on to my calf two weeks ago.

More important, barefoot runners run as nature designed them, with better technique than those who rely on the artificial stabilization of air pockets, gel and now even microchips to compensate for bad form. Barefoot runners develop stronger feet and ankles, have better feedback from the ground, and suffer fewer joint injuries. Many Olympic athletes incorporate barefoot training into their regimens.

I suggest that she do some homework before condemning the practice. Up until the last century, this is how most of mankind ran. Seems to have worked pretty well for the last few thousand years or so.

Chris Wagner
Occasional barefooter
Prairie Village Kansas

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3/25 Article:
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Mar 29, 2005
33. Apr 3, 2007 10:49 AM in response to: Johnnystella7
quote:<HR>Eight miles including fartleks this morning. <HR>


This was my run this morning as well, though no chili last night to keep things light and airy. I bagged the idea of tempo this morning because I'm having to shuffle some runs around and will have to run med/long tomorrow and long on Friday. Warm up and cool down miles 7:20ish and the rest with some fartlek thrown in - couple of miles at 6:40 - total time 56:01. It was quite warm again today but I think the big cool down is headed this way by Thursday.

Roy, good to see you back running longer than 2 miles. It's great that Mrs. Roy is able to accompany you. All this talk of spouses running makes me wistful. My dh has back problems that prevent him from running.

Patty, this is probably not a helpful answer to your question but I have found that the more miles I run on a weekly basis - and in particular the longer my med/long run - the easier the long runs seem. If you bump one of your other runs to 7 or 8 miles and take an easy day before the 10, I am betting you will start to find 10 miles not such a difficult length.

Meg
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Sep 9, 2005
34. Apr 3, 2007 10:52 AM in response to: Johnnystella7
Debbie, positive thoughts coming your way today.
kameele, good to see you back running.
Gordon, congrats to your DD and good luck to her in the finals.
MarkGuy, you forgot to count yourself as one of the clever rehabbers, and nicely done on the intervals!
PBJ, if that is your new plan to beat Tall, it really stinks!

Scheduled rest day.

I think Vivian, my imaginary maid, has somehow found a way to "quit me," so my rest day will include attention to the morass of dust and clutter that is my home. Yawn.
Click to view choover's profile Legend 1,120 posts since
Oct 7, 2007
35. Dec 22, 2007 9:07 PM in response to: Johnnystella7
Thanks for the input on DH & the HM. I'll stop pushing...

And on another note, here's a funny sign. Hope someone hasn't already posted it.



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Click to view Sans Souci027's profile Legend 1,204 posts since
Sep 9, 2005
36. Apr 3, 2007 11:35 AM in response to: Johnnystella7
choovie, I recognize that spot. It's Deep Cove, finishing point for the 30-mile Knee Knacker[/URL" target="_blank">, a race I'd like to do one of these days. Grrrrowl.

A stunning place to kayak too.
Click to view Kimble053's profile Legend 233 posts since
Jan 26, 2007
37. Apr 3, 2007 11:42 AM in response to: Johnnystella7
Did W7D1 of the C25K today (again!) Decided to go back 2 weeks and repeat them at a slower speed so I don't get too tired again. Today's run went fine at 5 mph. Think I'll stick with this speed for a while!

Hope you all have a great run/workout!

Kimble
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Aug 14, 2007
38. Apr 3, 2007 11:54 AM in response to: Johnnystella7
Kimble, Smart move. It shows your running with your brain too.
Click to view Tamalina's profile Legend 1,594 posts since
Aug 14, 2007
39. Dec 22, 2007 9:07 PM in response to: Johnnystella7
Hoovie - I'm also going to chime in that I don't think your husband is ready for a HM in only 8 wks if he's only doing a base of around 15 mpw. I think he should focus on the fall HM and then over the course of the summer, work on getting his weekly mileage in the 25-30 mpw range. That being said, I'm running a HM in about 5 wks and my weekly mileage is only around 20 right now. I'm know I'm not training quite to the level that I should be and I don't plan on running the whole thing non-stop. But I do agree with others that say he should wait a bit longer before attempting a race that distance. I think he'll be better prepared and probably be more satisfied with his performance.

p.s. - funny sign!

I haven't run yet today but will go after work. I'm going to try out a new route that should put me in the 7 mile range somewhere.

Last night I was reading this month's RW and was a bit bothered by the article about a repeat Boston bandit. You know how they always highlight some chef and share a few recipes and then talk a bit about this particular person's training and racing. Well, this particular chef runs Boston every year as a bandit. I was a sort of surprised that a running magazine would spotlight and, in a sense, condone banditing a marathon. I know hundreds, if not thousands, bandit Boston, but I guess I just feel like a running magazine should do what they can to convey the message that banditing is not acceptable etiquette and is a form of stealing. But by highlighting this particular runner, it seemed to give the message of acceptance. sort of disappointing.

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Jan 10, 2006
40. Apr 3, 2007 12:11 PM in response to: Johnnystella7
Thanks so much all of you.

You have given me some encouragement and some things to think about.

I do not run fast. The ten miles yesterday took about 2 hours. I don't run with a watch, just try to go by feel. I found when I run with a watch, I am always trying to beat my last time and that takes the enjoyment out of it for me.

I have been following a half marathon training program with some adjustments (like dropping speedwork and replacing it with plain miles)

It just seems like it is such hard work to make it through 10 miles that running 16,18, or 20 would be a huge mountain to tackle.

That said, I know I can finish the half. I have done three already.

My kids who run think there are certain plateau's for every runner. Maybe that is where I am at.

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Dec 14, 2007
41. Apr 3, 2007 12:23 PM in response to: Johnnystella7
4.5 miles in 41:54, with the puppies in the 10K class on campus. Struggled the whole way, ah well.
Click to view Dark Horse's profile Legend 1,684 posts since
Oct 9, 2005
42. Apr 3, 2007 12:37 PM in response to: Johnnystella7
quote:<HR>Originally posted by TammyM:
Last night I was reading this month's RW and was a bit bothered by the article about a repeat Boston bandit.<HR>


Tammy,

Relax, banditing the marathon is a hallowed Boston tradition. Afterward, we all get together and throw tea in the harbor.

Just skimmed the earlier posts, but it's cool C-Hoovie is married to an 18-year-old guy. Guess this is what keeps her looking so young.

Off to the gym later, after I kill my quota of enemy insurgents for the night. Not able to run much these days, so I'm sculpting my Boy Toy physique. When I get home in the fall, I'm going to shave my body, get a spray-on tan, and star in the next Dolce & Gabbana ad campaign.

<preening>

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Click to view Tamalina's profile Legend 1,594 posts since
Aug 14, 2007
43. Apr 3, 2007 12:47 PM in response to: Johnnystella7
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dark Horse:
Tammy,

Relax, banditing the marathon is a hallowed Boston tradition. Afterward, we all get together and throw tea in the harbor.

<HR>


yeah, I gathered that it was a tradition and everyone knows there are many many bandits. Yet, in the little "factoid" section they had on the Boston marathon, there seemed to be an overwhelming majority of responses to a question about banditing and how it should be stopped. So, it appears at least that the vast majority of marathoners don't condone banditing races, yet by giving this particular bandit the publicity in RW, it appears to give acceptance to banditing, rather than racing in it legitimately - either by qualifying or raising charity money.

but we've all gone round and round about banditing races before, so I really don't want to start yet another debate about banditing . . . I was just a little surprised that a magazine would spotlight a bandit, rather than another person who races Boston because they earned their position in the race.
Click to view Dark Horse's profile Legend 1,684 posts since
Oct 9, 2005
44. Apr 3, 2007 12:54 PM in response to: Johnnystella7
quote:<HR>Originally posted by TammyM:
I was just a little surprised that a magazine would spotlight a bandit<HR>


Tammy,

I've worked for a few magazines. You read the article, found it thought-provoking, and now we're discussing it in a public forum. I'd say the magazine was pretty smart in its choice of topics, wouldn't you?

Dark Horse

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