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Click to view MarkGuy051's profile Legend 542 posts since
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15. Apr 6, 2007 12:33 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
Nice story, Dave. I think both of you made the right decision. Thanks for sharing.

Mark
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16. Apr 6, 2007 12:34 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
Thanks for sharing that story Dave(notyourrealname)inAA.

This is so reminiscent of what we teach our son, who is a very honest little 7 yr old, with a sensitive and caring heart, but kids will be kids and he did try lying to us a few wks ago (something that really wasn't that big of a deal, but we wanted to drive home a teaching point in this instance before the lies got bigger). We knew he was lying and he kept trying to cover it up til he was cornered with no where to go. He finally fessed up and after all was said and done, it was a great learning experience. It was an opportunity to show him that had he just fessed up right away we still would have been disappointed in what he did that he shouldn't have done, but whatever punishment or consequences he would have been were far less than the consequences for lying. And even if you "think" you are getting away with your lie, someday it WILL come back and get you.

I'm glad to hear one of your students had this same guilty conscious about his wrongdoing, even though he could have gotten away with it this time. Thanks for sharing.

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17. Apr 6, 2007 12:37 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
Thanks for sharing this, Dave. The student is to be commended for his integrity. You handled the situation well. Good job.

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18. Apr 6, 2007 12:55 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
Good story, Dave. Thanks for giving the student the opportunity to make it right. One of my least pleasant work duties is to help professors verify plagiarism and I just hate doing it.

Thanks for sharing.

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19. Apr 6, 2007 12:55 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
Yes, thank you for sharing this story. So many times the bad kids get all the headlines and attention. It's so nice to hear that there are still some good kids out there. I really like how handled the situation.

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20. Apr 6, 2007 1:03 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
I was glad to read this, Dave. Thanks. -Lou
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21. Apr 6, 2007 1:18 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
A funny story here.....when I was in college my girl friend and I both shared this one class and would study together. After an exam, I got called into the professors office the next day. It seems that on one question where an outline that we were supposed to memorize was supposed to be filled in.......only she and I had certain answers the same (and wrong). The accusation was that somehow we were cheating in the exam and passing answers. However, the problem was quickly identified when our study notes (which I had gotten from her) contained the WRONG OUTLINE.....JUST LIKE WE GAVE AS AN ANSWER. After producing the notes, the professor laughed and said...."Knowing you both, I was hoping there was a logical explanation". (I never used HER notes again)



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22. Apr 6, 2007 2:48 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
Funny, I was just talking to a former colleague who, in response to the upsurge in the problem, now does workshops for faculty on high-tech cheating using cell phone, iPods, etc. (Some older faculty, he says, are clueless about how the technology is being used and are easy targets.)

It's nice to hear this story. Unfortunately, it seems to run counter to the trends. For example, from a NYT's piece[/URL" target="_blank"> on the explosion in cheating, "In a survey of nearly 62,000 undergraduates on 96 campuses over the past four years, two-thirds of the students admitted to cheating." Ouch.
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23. Apr 6, 2007 4:50 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
That is a great story Dave! Thanks for sharing. High school teachers would be wise to share this one with their students. The knowledge that professors are using data matching software to check for cheating might scare some straight.
cheers,
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24. Apr 6, 2007 5:17 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
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25. Apr 6, 2007 5:35 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
That's amazing considering a whole culture of lying and obfuscating these days and at the forefront of the lying is our current government and media. I wish people would rise up.

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26. Apr 6, 2007 6:31 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
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27. Apr 6, 2007 8:36 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
Thanks Dave. The things Johnnystella mentioned have become so commonplace that I think we expect dishonesty, to a degree we aren't even aware of. Stories like this remind us of what's possible. Might even help us give someone the benefit of the doubt when it's important.

I also liked how you handled it. Especially considering it hit you out of the blue! He helped you (& us) have faith in people, & you helped him have the same. (strange loop)
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28. Apr 6, 2007 9:52 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
I feel sick when I catch a cheater. Usually it's plagiarism in a paper -- written passages lifted from something that's out there on the web. It is ridiculously easy for me to spot abrupt shifts in writing styles and to google a key phrase to find the original text online...

As for using cell phones and ipods and such during exams...good point; I will keep my eye out. Generally, all I permit on the desk is a pen or pencil, the exam, a dictionary, and a calculator.

All that said, I will defend this generation to anyone who maligns them. I find them hard-working, talented, caring and sweet. I think the world will be in good hands.
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Aug 14, 2007
29. Apr 6, 2007 11:10 PM in response to: DaveinAA035
for one exam a student convinced me he needed to take it in the disabled student's center (to get extra time) since he was having trouble understanding my exam, and with the english. i agreed to this arrangement, giving him the benefit of the doubt... why would he lie? during his exam the director of the facility called me and told me that she had caught my student cheating, and confiscated his exam and notes. i visited her office; his notes were of course in english. at a meeting in my office he denied everything, claiming that the director of the center was lying.

it gets better: the assistant coach for the soccer team called me; "this student's a good guy and a great soccer player, and if he fails my class he's not eligible to play." before a string of four-letter words left my mouth, i managed to say "tell me the name of your boss and give me his phone number, NOW." i gave the athletic director a piece of my mind, but the assistant coach still works there, and i left...

i'm sure you have similar adventures dave. hopefully this good one may make up for a couple of the others...