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Click to view evanflein's profile Legend 1,279 posts since
Aug 14, 2007

Apr 18, 2007 3:05 AM

Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers

Kimble, it's 11:15 here in Alaska, so you're about to get your day going. Thought I'd update you on a non-running subject dear to both our hearts. My horse apparently slipped on the ice or something that cause her to pull her suspensory ligaments to the point of detachment from the fetlock. She's essentially "walking" (if you could call it that) on the back of her fetlock/heel and not able to support her weight on four legs. She could stabilize and recover to the point of "walking" on her heel, but not real optimistic. Big concerns: laminitis in "healthy" right front hoof, abscesses/infection on skin of left fetlock/pastern if she uses it as her foot. She's apparently not in pain right now, just unable to put weight on her left fore due to breakdown of ligament structure. She's 24.5 years old; was born in the backyard, I've had her since birth, trained her, ridden/shown her, loved her and tolerated her strong character for years. Her mother was the best horse I've ever known. I'm so sad I don't know what to do. I don't want to keep her around just for my sake, but would love for her to have a good summer in the sun and grazing on the clover in the backyard. She seems ok for now, interested in her meals and being groomed, whinnies for me every morning and evening like she's done for years. Vet says she's not in pain, just not mobile. I'm so torn and sad. Just wanted to share with someone who would understand (DH is out of town...).

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Click to view dg9005's profile Legend 1,325 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Apr 18, 2007 7:48 AM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
ahhhh, Erka. I'm so sorry.
I don't have a horse, just love them from afar.
I can understand a little, I think I mentioned something before about my older dog. I have a 15 yr. old golden retriever that's been going through a lot of different things for a several years. She has heart problems, arthritis, the usual. Last summer she developed strange awful sores on her feet that the doc couldn't diagnose, tried everything. We thought we'd lost her in August, she couldn't walk, lost her appetite, so forth. But she rallied, showed renewed interest in things, & the consensus was to give it a shot. I went the whole nutritional gamut, tried my own version of PT & tried to help her muscle recruitment by pressing on her foot so she'd press back. etc. found a harness to support the back legs, after a month or so she was walking on her own, & finally getting up & down on her own. I've been cooking all her food since then. Now she's going downhill again, getting her in & out of the house is increasingly difficult, but it varies. The sore thing is back but worse, it involves the pads of her feet. I don't want to keep her around just for me. I even have conversations with her, telling her I just want her to have a nice spring & summer, enjoying herself a bit after a hard winter. I'm not sure whether or not she's in pain. She wags her tail & smiles at me & is still very interested in her food. but I don't know what to do either.

It makes my heart break for you, I wish I knew enough about horses to offer some advice. It must be so hard, after probably hoping the vet could offer some solution. And having had her since birth, what a bond there must be.

I just shared all this because so much of what you said sounded too familiar. I'll be thinking about you.
Click to view Kimble053's profile Legend 233 posts since
Jan 26, 2007
2. Apr 18, 2007 7:56 AM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
Oh evanflein - I've just logged on and seen this thread. I am so sad for you as I know how heartbreaking this is. My old and much loved horse was diagnosed with a heart murmur quite unexpectedly during a routine check-up and died of a heart attack in his field 4 weeks later, aged 21 - not old for a TB X connemara. That was six years ago and although I have another horse now (called Kimble!) I still think of him every day.

I don't want to tell you what to do as this is your decision, hard though it may be. I quite understand your wanting your horse to have a summer at grass - it's what we all want for our horses. I can only give you my opinion, which is that you should be governed by whether your horse is in untreatable pain. All the signs you've mentioned indicate that she isn't - she's still interested in her food, still pleased to see you - and your vet has said that she isn't, but that she's not very mobile. Does she have laminitis right now, or is it just something you are worried might happen? Same with the skin infection. If she doesn't have these right now then you are worrying about something that may not ever happen. She may for all you know adjust her gait herself so that she can walk better. I know what you're asking me and I think if it was me if she can move around and is not in pain I would let her have her summer. You don't mention how long she has had this injury. I think I would at least wait a while anyway to see how she recovers and if it improves. The important thing is that she can have some quality of life - if she can get around, even slowly, and is not in pain, still enjoying her food etc then I would wait and see.

I hope I've been able to say at least *some*thing that is of comfort to you, and I can imagine how awful you must be feeling. ((((evanflein)))) I'm so sorry your DH is out of town at the moment. Isn't that always the way when you need them? Post if you want to talk. I'll watch this thread or if I'm not here, then I always post on the Newbie thread.

Hugs

Kimble
Click to view Elaine3112's profile Legend 400 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
3. Apr 18, 2007 8:16 AM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
evanflein
I'm also a horse owner, mine is rising 29 and I've had her nearly 28 year's. I haven't experienced that kind of injury yours has so I'm no real expert in this area. Has vet asked you to bandage the leg to give it support and if so, I would suggest you bandage the other foreleg as she will be shifting more weight onto that one. If she is still eating and getting some quality of life, I wouldn't even think about the 'eternities' at this point. You say she is of strong character and that in it self will help her. We have a 30 year old pony who was almost crippled with laminitis and had terrible worm damage (not through our neglect I might add) who is so strong willed, I swear it's his nature that has seen him through these challenges and come out the other end fighting. It would help also to keep your grazing area as clean as possible, pick up poo and if there are any supplements you can give to help her immune system, that may help too. Basically, give her the best you can afford but if that means dramatically changing her diet then introduce slowly, but I'm sure you know this anyway. I'm sure other horse owners will be on to support and advise and I wish you the best with her. Keep us posted.
Click to view LittleA's profile Pro 82 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Apr 18, 2007 10:56 AM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
Ah, just jumping in here because I, too, am the owner of 4 geriatric horses. I question these things all the time. I have one so arthritic that it costs a fortune to keep him out of pain. I'm ready to put him down, but the rest of the family is not. I spent $3000 a few years ago to save our 30 year old arabian, which made so much sense way back then....now I question this....but today she is quite well and totally enjoying her well deserved retirement in the pasture. Wish I could help, but we horse people (well, all animal lovers) struggle with this. You're the only one who can decide when it is time. Don't feel guily no matter what your decision is. A horse is your best friend. Good luck. alison
Click to view Kimble053's profile Legend 233 posts since
Jan 26, 2007
6. Apr 18, 2007 2:27 PM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
Hello again!

Your vet sounds really good - and it's early days. He wouldn't say she might stabilize if it wasn't a real possibility. Hey - we're all thinking of you and rooting for your horse! Follow up all the suggestions - she's still calling for you and wanting her food, and if she's a strong-willed mare she'll be wanting to go out in the field when it's time! She isn't giving up! If she's difficult to medicate, does she have a favourite food you can put the meds in if and when she needs them?

Hope you can get some sleep and hope things will improve for your mare.

Hugs

Kimble
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Apr 1, 2007
7. Apr 18, 2007 2:41 PM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
Longtime horse lover/owner here. Saw the horse-related thread and just wanted to add my support for you. They become such a part of our lives, don't they? It's hard to know what to do when things like this happen. I've got an 18 y.o. that has fractured his hips twice. He's in semi-retirement, and I cannot stand the thought of ever losing him.

Sending healing thoughts to your girl and a big hug to you.
Click to view Elaine3112's profile Legend 400 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Apr 18, 2007 3:59 PM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
evanflein
So glad to hear your girl was just as pleased to see you this morning. As far as administering the bute, my mare is a tinker for taking it and I have to cut an apple in half, scoop out the flesh, pour in some black treacle (heated up on the hob to liquidise it), pour in the bute and mix with treacle. Put some bits of apple on top and give it to her. The treacle disguises the bitter taste of the bute and she takes it everytime. Good luck with your special girl and keep us posted.
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Dec 14, 2007
9. Apr 18, 2007 6:47 PM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
Erika,
I'm so sorry. cj
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Jan 26, 2007
10. Apr 19, 2007 5:57 AM in response to: evanflein
Re: Shout out to Kimble... and other horse loving Boomers
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Elaine3112:
evanflein
So glad to hear your girl was just as pleased to see you this morning. As far as administering the bute, my mare is a tinker for taking it and I have to cut an apple in half, scoop out the flesh, pour in some black treacle (heated up on the hob to liquidise it), pour in the bute and mix with treacle. Put some bits of apple on top and give it to her. The treacle disguises the bitter taste of the bute and she takes it everytime. Good luck with your special girl and keep us posted.
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Elaine - that is devious! But what a great idea! Pony will eat *any*thing, but my horse can sniff out any meds!