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15. Dec 22, 2005 4:31 PM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I was an excellent swimmer that has gone by the wayside only to try again sue to a desire to get involved in Tri's in 2006. It is not uncommon to "get tired" after a short distance if you are a beginner. Instead of jumping right into a continuous swim try doing sets. Don't go into a pool and try to swim 500, 600 or 1,000 yards. Do ten sets of 100 yards. If you cant do them, do 20 sets of 50 yards. Get a base built up (after all, did you go out and run a 10k your very first day of running?). After a while reduce the time you are taking between sets and increase your effort during the set. Also, forget the bilateral breathing...it's overrated (unless you really need to be able to see the people swimming beside you on both sides).
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16. Dec 22, 2005 6:50 PM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I agree with the comments on Total Immersion - I had the same issues. I still have a looong way to go before I can consider myself a fast swimmer, but at least I can now finish a swim without having the last bike in the rack, and with enough energy for the bike and run.

In terms of the difference between the books, the Triathlon version has more tips on open water swimming (sighting, etc...) while the general TI book is very basic and presumes you're in a pool. However the general book goes into much more detail on the drills, which are definitely critical to understanding the technique.
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17. Dec 22, 2005 10:48 PM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I tried reading the Total Immersion book and though I have not completed it, I don't feel it helped me much. I understand it and probably don't do everything properly, I feel I still need a coach to watch me swim. I am a strong swimmer having been a scuba diver since I was very young I never swam on the surface because I felt uneasy- the breathing thing. My first Tri was a 900 meter swim in open water- a small lake, no wind. I just had LASIK so I could see well enough to do the sports I love like running and scuba and I was determined to learn to swim on my own if I DIED-TRI-ING. Needless to say after my fourth year of doing tri's I am a much better swimmer, though not fast, simply because I am more comfortable in the water with my breathing. In fact I just picked a day and said to myself I was going to swim until I couldn't swim any more. I started out slowly on the pool and just relaxed. I didn't count laps or worry about time I just swam, and swam and swam some more. After about an hour and a half of swimming I stopped just because I had other things to do. I wasn't even tried and felt fine. My first attempts at swimming the first tri I could only swim about 50 yards freestyle before I became too tired (winded). My method was to swim as far as I could freestyle,switch to breast stroke about the same distance or until I felt rested and then swim freestyle again repeating the same way. The first year I never swam the whole distance freestyle.Some times I would do a short distance breast stroke just to relax my breathing. Now I don't want to do anything but freestyle. I watch the other swimmers at the pool and some look as though they are barely moving their arms and I think surely I am much faster but I swim against them and they will beat me everytime. Just relax and try to learn your technique without regard to speed. Technique and repetition is the only way you will get faster. And remember if you can't beat'em in the swim- kick their butts in the bike or run. There is a 64 yr old lady I can beat in the run or swim, but she flat out knocks my face in the dirt on the bike and I feel like I'm a fairly strong cyclist. Sorry my entry was so loNg but I thought maybe just some good ole' encouragement might prove better than specifics. Good luck and remember,RUN, WALK or CRAWL but DO IT !!!!
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18. Dec 22, 2005 10:52 PM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I got into triathlons two years ago and, like most, struggled with the swimming. I'm in reasonable shape, have great cardio endurance, and a low heart rate, but I STILL have to breath on every stroke. I agree with bradhunt01, don't worry about being a fast swimmer. I've really worked on learning to pace myself, keep my stress under control (I tend to hyperventilate during the first 200 yards), and just settle into my stroke.

I'll make up my time on the bike or the run, and, since I'm not going to be winning any medals any time soon, I've really tried to enjoy the swim and just finish on top of the water.

That being said, I'm going to work with a coach this year to try and iron out a few of the kinks, but I'm not going to spend too much money on it.
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19. Dec 23, 2005 6:45 AM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I am registered for my first trialthlon in May, 06 and swimming has been the toughest training. I did hire a Total Immersion coach and worked with her for 5 sessions. I dont have anything to compare it to, because I am a brand new swimmer. I can say the way they teach gives you time to rest and breath as you swim until you build your endurance/breating rythym without stopping. Getting exhausted has been a huge setback for me, but I believe it is about lots of training. I plan to buy the Total Immersion book and DVD to keep improving, as a private coach is a little pricey!
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20. Dec 23, 2005 7:00 AM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
It sounds like your "fighting" the water. I have to agree with some of the others, take it a little slower at first. "OUR" brand of "torture" is called a TRIATHLON, it's not a "swim meet". I'm usually one of the first out of the water, but I lose it on the bike...I'v been "tri-ing" for about a year. And I have to say that when I started the swim I was done at 25m! I bought the DVD for Total Immersion, and I joined a Masters group....I couldn't figure out the drills for T.I. And the Masters group had me doing all the strokes I DIDN'T need...SO, I found a Total Immersion instructor and took private lessons. That was definitely money well spent!!!! Now it's PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE! I do at least 200m of drills before I start my "training". As others have written, if I haven't swam in a week or so (after an event), I'll do 200m repeats until I've built my endurance back up.

Have fun!!! In the lyrics of Jack Johnson "Swim like a jellyfish, rhythm ain't nothin', just go with the flow and DON'T STOP!"
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21. Dec 23, 2005 7:12 AM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I've been doing triathlons off and on for almost 20 years. I was always pretty strong in the bike and run but routinely came out of the water in the bottom third no matter how hard I trained in the pool. Then I got involved one year with a Masters swim team. The coach taught me bilateral breathing, flip turns and technique. I found it incredibly tiring to swim with good form initially, but adapted to it as I improved. I got "Total Immersion" and routinely do the balance drills. Now I come out of the water in the top 20% of the swimmers and often place in my age group. Don't listen to people who say the swim isn't important - if you're a good swimmer you'll not only gain time but also be fresher for the bike. I don't think that you'll ever make progress without some coaching because swimming is ALL about technique.

Other comments: I compete in the North and wetsuits are usually permitted. I go a LOT faster in a wetsuit - I'm so buoyant I feel like I'm just laying on top of the water.

Finally, in the swim you should absolutely try to draft off someone else - just make sure they aren't slower than you! Drafting is illegal on the bike but perfectly legal in the swim and the effect is more pronounced. I try to find someone to draft off of, even if for short distances, during every race that I enter.
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22. Dec 23, 2005 8:25 AM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I was a terrible swimmer when I decided to do a triathlon. The first one was a joke. The next year I
decided I needed help and I had heard a lot about
Total Immersion, but the clinics were way too expensive.
So I bought the book, which was great, but then I saw
the DVD and the things I couldn't picture in the book (I
am not a real visual person) was so clear and understandable in the DVD. I also bought the Triathlon
swimming made easy book. It basically went throught the same drills as the other book, but it added some ideas about siting and running into and out of the water etc.
I think just the TI book, and video would be the best.
I did 3 triathlons this last summer and when I got out
of the water on that 3rd one I actually yelled "This was fun!"
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23. Dec 23, 2005 9:02 AM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
Total immersion DVD or video, the book is awesome too, go to your local library if you don't want to buy them and check them out. My scenario was yours too, I recently completed my first triathlon and wished I'd seen the Total Immersion series. There are even weekend courses in major cities, just go to their web-site. I can't tell enough people about the benefits of this system, don't skip on the basic skills, you will swim for miles after this and love open water too.
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24. Dec 23, 2005 9:10 AM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I'm certainly no expert. A year ago I was where you are now. I'm not terribly fast and I'm working on my speed. But I can swim forever.

The best advice I ever got on swimming was to focus on technique and not on speed. Speed will come with good technique.

Swimming is all about preservation of momentum and moving as efficiently as possible through the water and expending as little energy as possible to do so. Picture yourself slipping through the water. Never push water. If you feel yourself pushing water, you're wasting energy. I try to imagine a series of hoops a little wider than my shoulders. I try to swim through these imaginary hoops in order to maintain as small a profile as possible as I move through the water. There is a very small arc of the hoop that is above the water, just enough for me to be able to turn sideways and get a breath.

I also don't breath bilaterally. I will alternate from left to right. But I breath once per stroke cycle. In the pool, I will always breath toward the side of the pool with the windows or the best view. In the lake, I will count strokes on one side an switch like every 10 breaths.

Another thing that I learned is that the purpose of kicking isn't to propel you through the water as with scube or snorkeling with fins. In swimming, kicking is intended to keep your legs near the surface and, thus, your profile small as you move through the water. Therefore kick enough (just below the surface of the water) to keep your legs up and no more.

In summary, focus on efficiency. Keep you body straight and on or near the surface. Keep your legs up by using your lungs as floation. This is where the term "balance" comes from. TI has some great balance drills. Work on one thing at a time during your workouts and as you master them, move on to something else. For instance, this week focus on keeping your legs up. Next week focus on balance. One week focus on arm stroke. Revisit these from time to time.

Blah, blah, blah...I can ramble on sometimes.
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25. Dec 23, 2005 9:40 AM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I have read some of the recomendations given, and all are valid because there are so many reasons for which you could feel out of breath while swimming free style, especially begining a race in open water.

Ofcourse you must train correctly, style, drills, keep reading about it and tips, etc... Since you say swimming was never your thing... efficient swimming where you are relaxed and learn to glide with every stroke, breathe in a relaxed form, etc... is ussually found in swimmers that have learned and trained correct technique since childhood, like in many other sports. It will probably take longer for you to improve, but you must train adecuately, you were suggested some good drills of touching your hands together in front and rowing one arm at the time... also train slowly in the pool, breathing every 6 strokes, then every 8, etc... try to glide, you should have an experienced trainer to help you out to train according to your personal objectives.

Sometimes there are no shortcuts... you need time for adding and adding kilometers of swimming to your body thru time, and also experience in races, finding or discovering your mistakes, finding your pace, etc...

George
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26. Dec 23, 2005 9:44 AM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I agree with the previous posts concerning Total Immersion. Its a great program but you have to follow the drills in the order they're presented as they build upon each other. The program teaches you to make your body position long and sleek like a clipper ship, rather than short and broad like a tugboat. It teaches efficiency in every stroke, and that saves you energy, and breath... I'm sure there's little difference between the original book and the new one for triathlons - they're probably just trying to reintroduce something to the market to get new sales. Buy the book, do the drills, be amazed at your progress.
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27. Dec 23, 2005 3:16 PM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I strongly encourage you to seek out a Masters swim group in your area. The swimmers are at all levels. If you find a group with a good coach, especially for newbies, you will see huge gains in your swimming ability.

Swimming is all about technic. You can read books, watch videos and all the other good stuff, but nothing beats a good coach and constant repetitions.

Don't get discouraged, progress is slow but steady.
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28. Dec 23, 2005 5:47 PM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TRAIN YOU IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE BREATHING THERE ARE TOO MANY CAUSES THE BIGGEST BEING PSYCHOLOGICAL. I HAVE TRAINED HUNDREDS AND SOME INDIVIDUALS NEED MORE THAN A BOOK. MASTERS GROUPS AND TRIATHLETE GROUPS CAN STEER YOU TO A GOOD COACH. TO FIND A PLACE TO SWIM WITH A COACH GO TO WWW.USMS.ORG OR WWW.FLORIDASWIMMING.ORG AND FOLLOW SITES TO "PLACES/CLUBS TO SWIM." GOOD LUCK
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29. Dec 23, 2005 11:59 PM in response to: sparkytri
Re: Freestyle too tiring
I highly recommend the Total Immersion books as well (it doesn't matter which - they basically cover the same technique). Two years ago, I was in the same situation as you have described. Bought the book, did the drills (although I definitely did not overstress the swim practice) and have since then gained a technique that allows for steady swimming without "toasting" myself. To polish it off, I also took a weekend's course with a Total Immersion trainer, which obviously was even more efficient as you have the feedback on how you are executing the drills, the stroke etc. If too expensive, the book would do it on its own. In this case, I think you should have somebody film your swim excercises to be able to correct any flaws.