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385 Replies Last post: Sep 1, 2007 10:49 AM by fredurie   Go to original post 1 ... 7 8 9 10 11 ... 26 Previous Next
Click to view Jim24315's profile Legend 1,937 posts since
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120. Aug 9, 2007 9:50 AM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
Fred,

I couldn't run a single mile under 5:40, even with fresh legs, and my normal pre-race warm up. For a guy pushing 60 to do so at the end of the workout you just did is...well...pretty good.
Click to view Spareribs049's profile Legend 1,742 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
122. Aug 9, 2007 12:17 PM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
2.2 walk today followed by strenuous workout at the Y later. I do one exercise called scorpions and I was doing them with a woman who is a very highly rated triathlete, early 40's. She said, "here's how I do that exercise." And she got into pushup position, and put her feet on an activity ball, then did the exercise from there. It looked hard, so I tried it. Third time I fell off the ball I gave it up. She does lunges holding a medicine ball out in front of her. One lunge ball out front, one lunge ball in front to the left side, one lunge ball out front to the right side. People in the gym often stop what they are doing to watch her work out.

At the Dallas White Rock half marathon 3 years ago, she ran behind me for half the race, then when she passed me she pinched me on the *ss and said, "See you at the finish," and beat me by half a minute. Spareribs
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124. Aug 9, 2007 1:00 PM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
Planned for a 5.5 this morning with my gal(loping) pals. Best conceived plans... DH got home from DC at midnight, then had to turn around and leave at 6:30 for the airport again... so I drove him there instead of running since he'll be gone until next Friday!!! Maybe I can sneak in a run later.

Maybe I am a freak, but I don't hate the elliptical. It works my legs and arms, burns copious amounts of calories, doesn't hurt my feet.. or knees... or butt. I'd do two-a-days on the elliptical over the stationary bike any time!

We all know the acronym TGIF... Allow me to share: So Happy It's Thursday... Have a great one! glidegal
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Dec 7, 2007
125. Aug 9, 2007 1:16 PM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
I'm tired. The one time I'm not is when I'm running. But especially in the morning, I'm tired.

The problem with not getting injured over an extended period is that you don't have an injury to force you to take time off. I'm beginning to look forward to finishing Reach the Beach next month and taking it easy for a while. A couple of long runs for that, some regular tempos and other speedwork, and come Labor Day I begin to taper.

As I say, I'm not tired while running or immediately afterwards and I'm not feeling blown apart after a run, and my pace is consistently on the fast side.

Yesterday was interesting here in NY. I had an arbitration, but when I got to the train station at 8, people were walking away, and I was told that there was no train service. So I called the other side and we adjourned it. Turned out that even if I had gotten into the City, it would have been a nightmare getting downtown where the arbitration was since there was little subway service. My client, in Queens, never got in.
Click to view euphoric's profile Legend 830 posts since
Aug 14, 2007
126. Aug 9, 2007 2:49 PM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
JP, sorry to hear you're exhausted.

Should we come tie you down?
Click to view Spareribs049's profile Legend 1,742 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
127. Aug 9, 2007 2:54 PM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
Fred, no I don't think anyone could get faster, unless their legs were so weak that they couldn't sustain long running exercises due to muscle fatigue, so I would say only if the race were some considerable distance, or an unusual race like Pike's Peak, or an ultra. I cannot imagine it would be a big deal for the mile to fiveK. On the other hand, strengthening the core muscles makes sense to me for being able to sustain hard workouts and prevent injury since they focus on the hips, back, abdomen etc.

Second, I used to get injuries when I stretched, so I don't stretch any more. Now I do exercises called by my PT "dynamic flexibility" which focuses on strengthening core muscles and muscles critical to running through the range of motion of the intended muscle. One quick example, I do bridges on an activity ball, lying on my back and my feet on the ball and lift the hips off the floor high as I can go, slowly, about 15 times, roll the ball toward me and away, about 15 times slowly, and then 15 more bridges with my toes on the ball. For those with weak hamstring muscles, this is a very useful exercise.

Third, keep in mind that my problem is sciatica, not a strain or a pull, so most of what I do has to do with alignment and strengthening muscles that might put pressure on nerves. As an example, I do an exercise that yoga people know as "cobra". I do this exercise a lot, because it puts pressure on the disks in the spine to "flatten" them and take pressure off the nerves that come out of each vertabra. In cobra, you are bending the spine backwards, as opposed to the normal forward posture of the athlete. Just about everything we do, from driving a car, to typing at a keyboard is with the spine curling forward. Spareribs
Click to view Rich in NH's profile Legend 469 posts since
Dec 10, 2007
128. Aug 9, 2007 8:44 PM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
Always interesting discussions in here. Spareribs, your posts are always interesting and insightful, this place should make you a moderator...

No running for me yesterday, my wife got sick, ended up in an ambulance taken to the hospital emergency room. Everything started innocently enough, her ear was sore and one side of her face was a little swollen, so we both thought "ear infection," figured a prescription for anitbiotics and she'd be on her way

I took her to the local medical center and immediately the doctor said "she's too sick to be here," called the ambulance and she was on here way to the emergency room. Anyway, she's still in the hospital, but doing much better. Her temp is back to normal after hitting 103.6 yesterday. They're treating her with anti-biotics, aren't sure about the infection, but think it's in the lymph nodes below her ear. Looks like she'll be coming home tomorrow, thankfully. phew...

Since I've been cooking the last couple days, there was a mess to clean up and I got that done after today's run...

Which was... 1 mile warm up, 5 @ tempo, 1 mile cool down.

Joe, it must be a sign of good form if you can run yourself into the ground and not get hurt...

Euphoric, you're making great progress, good for you!
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Aug 14, 2007
129. Aug 9, 2007 9:46 PM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
2 runs today. a.m. and p.m. 5.5 miles each.

Rich in NH - man that's frightening....Hope all works out well for you and your wife. Get those dishes done b4 she gets home.

ksrunr
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130. Aug 9, 2007 11:41 PM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
jeepers, creepers, rich--- close call! hope she is on the quick mend.. that is scary.
jp, that was a tornado you were trying to mediate with-- there's just no talking to that type--good thing you were not in town when it hit...weird day for NYC.
ksrnr--good run, squared. glidegal
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Sep 29, 2007
131. Aug 10, 2007 7:29 AM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
JP: rest, even if you are running ok, but tired otherwise, you must rest. Don't want to stop running all together? Cut the mileage in half, slow the pace down. Make sure you are drinking enough water and take frequent naps. Let your body recover from what ever it is fighting or....your body will force you to recover, one way or another. So, go take a nap now.

Rich: Wow, what a scare with your wife. Get those dishes done, the floors vacuumed, the bathrooms cleaned, make the beds and have the laundry all caught up. (and don't forget to dust)

GG: If I get to choose, I would choose the elliptical over the bike also, but I would rather not be in the gym at all. Hope your hubby is off to someplace less steamy than DC.

Jim: Thanks for the encouraging words. I needed them.

Just checking in, no workout to report as I have an out of town guest and am spending my days exploring DC. My foot is behaving somewhat, but it will be glad when she goes home.

Fred doing arm curls??? Picture please. I wanna see.

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Click to view euphoric's profile Legend 830 posts since
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132. Aug 10, 2007 8:14 AM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
Day off today.

An incredible thing happened yesterday. I woke up to a post by a runner, Perky 2, who had just moved to PA. It was similar to the Ribs going to Scranton one, but this boomer has moved to my town. My initial joy quickly turned to caution as the too good to be true alarm went off.

There is a very happy ending to this story and it is a testament to the importance of this site. Perky 2 had already met my husband, though she couldn't have known about any running connection. We ran on the same path last weekend. I would never have done more than wave to someone doing serous training. We will attend two of the same functions tonight. Tomorrow brings a run and a possible trip to the hour away running store. Incredible, you guys and now this. Fred, I'm already expecting to have to hammer to keep up. I'll know what that buddy horse feels like escorting the racer to the starting gate!

JP, I hope you are feeling better this morning. Maybe a trip to the doctor is in order? Can't intense training cause a change in platelet count? You don't have to get hurt to take care of yourself.

Rich, what a scare. Better work on the bathroom for some cross cleaning. Thanks for the encouragement. Your fashion advice got me through below zero temps last winter.

GG, when did they add "and on demand trips to the airport" to those vows. If I start charging the usual taxi rate, I can buy that new pair of running shoes I've been hoping for. "Have fun in Europe, dear. Maybe I'll go to Scranton."

Liz, guest can be exhausting. Having no air conditioning is a great deterrent to summer visitors. Forced pool workouts may have the same effect.

Ribs, now we really know why you spend so much time at the Y. Sounds like you'll have lots of fun in DC. How are YOU getting to the airport?

Wishing everyone a great weekend. Where's Bob?
Click to view Jim24315's profile Legend 1,937 posts since
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133. Aug 10, 2007 9:48 AM in response to: fredurie
Re: August 50 Plus Training and Racing
Rich,
I hope wife is doing better today. That was pretty scarey.


JP,
It's hard to 2nd guess you, since you are such a strong runner, but this:

"...and I'm not feeling blown apart after a run, and my pace is consistently on the fast side."

might be a part of the problem. You might do well to slow down everything except your 2 quality days each week. For you that would be easy/slow range of 7:30-8:00. You race often enough and do enough quality that it wouldn't hurt your race times a bit and would probably would help.