Remember that accuracy is as important as distance. Windage and elevation are keys.
I'd ignore the standard recommendations on how much to drink while racing. For me, a sweater, it's not enough. You should figure out, by weighing yourself before and after, how much you lose through sweat in a given time period. Then, as long as you take in fluid at a slower rate than that, your bladder won't be filling up. Then the key is to start with an empty bladder and nothing on the way, as others have suggested.
I've read that kidneys "shut down" during a race, but I think the extent of a shutdown probably depends on how fast you're going (so training runs are different from a BQ attempt). For me, this has been a learn-by-your-mistakes thing, but I have negotiated one marathon with no pee stops, and plenty of other examples have been mentioned, so I think you can learn to do it.
BTW, the BAA gives you a free 59 seconds, so I think your McMillan prediction is even closer to a BQ than you thought. Not to add any pressure or anything. !http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/wink.gif|src=http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/wink.gif|border=0!
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In 449 races, including 7 marathons, I've never once had to make a pit stop or even had a close call. I've always wondered why, since I've had to stop a zillion times on training runs. The system must shut down due to adrenaline rush or some other chemical that takes over when in race mode. I always use the bathroom before a race, often more than once. Maybe that's the reason, but you'd think after all these races it would have happened at least once during.
OK...OK...I know this is WAY out there......probably in TomWhite territory (sorry Tom).....but.....
I have a friend who goes to NASCAR races and likes to drink his beer but also hates to miss ANY of the race. Sooo...he has a doctor friend who hooks him up to a catheter before the race and just umm......enjoys sitting in his seat for the whole race.
OK....so my point is.....I wonder if anyone running has ever done something like this. I am not sure where you would hide the bag, but that is another issue.
I've never had to stop to pee in a race, ever. I seem to have honed the science of taking in only as much fluid as I need. I don't recall ever feeling dehydrated after a race...in fact, the port-a-potties are always my first stop AFTER a long race. I've felt the heat, but never any real dehydration.
Now, I did have the terrible unmentionable GI problems during my first Boston attempt, and I DNF'ed after I realized that I was not ever going to make it to Boston by visiting every single port-a-potty along the way. But that's a whole 'nother ball game.
And, FWIW, McMillan calculated 3:49:59 for my first marathon, and I finished in 3:49:30. It can be eerily accurate.
Out of 202 marathons I remember only two times, that I stopped.
Of my 43 ultras I stopped only three times in two of the ultras. I stopped twice in a 24-hour run.
When I was a marathoner I never stopped during a race. I ran the whole way. I did slow down slightly at aide stations but just enough to grab a drink and then get back up to pace.
I found the key to hydration was the day before. I did my major hydration the day before the race and just topped off the day of the race. I usually was not one of those standing on some long porta potty line. I went and found a secret bathroom or just some bushes if need be.
Doug Latimer, an ultra marathoner taught himself to pee while running. He figured stopping to pee coast him Western States one year (back in the 1980's I think) and so he didn't stop to pee. He just kept on going and poured water over his shorts to wash things away. He tied for the victory the next year.
Originally posted by vista129:
he has a doctor friend who hooks him up to a catheter before the race and just umm......enjoys sitting in his seat for the whole race.
I am not sure where you would hide the bag, but that is another issue.
1. Only in America.
2. Couldn't you disguise it as a Camelbak?
3. I can't believe I've opened up this thread again.
Never have run a marathon but in the last half marathon, I really thought I was going to have to stop at mile 4. The lines were too long so I kept going, hoping to find a vacancy along the way. By the time I got to mile 9, I no longer nedded to go.
Another very real issue may be thenumber of pregnancies you have had. Kegels are great but I find as I get older, the gymnastics the kids(4) did prenatally on my bladder have taken a toll.