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Click to view maryt091's profile Legend 806 posts since
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315. Dec 23, 2007 4:36 AM in response to: WayneD
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Wayne D

I've run several races with 5K/10K or 5K/10 miles and seen runners with headphones not be aware of which way to go MANY times and get in the way of the runners behind them as the headphone wearers try to figure out at the last second where to go, and cut across the path of other runners to get to the correct side of the street. It happens much less frequently with the headphone free who are so much more aware of their surroundings.

For all those others who say it should be the runner's choice, you just don't get it. What about the choice of those your wearing headphones interferes with? Your "choice" can disrupt the race for others and make it more difficult not only for other runners, but for the volunteers out on the course trying to make sure the race goes smoothly for everyone. It's the old saying , "your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins." Your "right" to run with headphones ends when it interferes with the ability of others to run their race - either as runners or on the organization side. There are many of us going for age group place who are not right up in the front, so don't think your headphone use is no problem just because you are not at the front of the pack. I've seen iPod/headphone wearers cause a lot of problems, many of which they have no clue about because they are NOT aware, so I really don't believe all of you who are so sure your headphone use isn't a problem. How would you know?

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316. Dec 23, 2007 11:47 AM in response to: Active Toby
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing
Have you ever considered running with only one earphone in? It works GREAT! you can hear everything, including the nike plus info during the run, such as pace etc. No worries about safety issues, can have a conversation with running partner, but also have the background music. I know this works best for women, as I tuck the other earphone into the shoulder strap of my top. I am fairly new to running, and usually run alone, therefore this provided the best option for safety and inspirational music.
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317. Dec 23, 2007 1:43 PM in response to: Active Toby
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing WAIT TIL ITS YOU!!!

I've trained since Walkmans first came out with a personal stereo. I won't race with one.

All I can say is wait til its you in the ambulance that can't evac, because they can't get around the IPOD wearer....

Wait til you're tripped up by someone who wont turn down their headset as they approach the finish line, not hearing instructions, or is more consumed with turning on their headset than the fact the race has started......

I work about 60 events a year..... it happens often.

and there are more novices wearing headsets than seasoned participants....the very people most at risk (How many people with a race number on their back have you spotted with an IPOD?)

So you'd be willing to sign a waiver that says...I revoke my right to sue any and all parties and assume ALL LAIBILITIES (that means they sue you directly for everything, and you'll cover the races legal costs too) for ALL damages your participating with headphones may cause?

AND FOR THE "expletive deleteds" among you that argue its the same as being deaf.....deaf people learn how to be aware of their surrondings......your very arguement says...."my IPOD helps me escape my surroundings....." amazingly people who would never sing Karaoke drunk, sing out loud wearing headsets

NOT ALLOWING headsets is a courtesy to all other participants, volunteers and emergency personal at the event

I bet you don't hold the door open for the person behind you, don't replace the roll of t.p. you emptied when you leave the bathroom, chew with your mouth open and don't cover your mouth when you sneeze and cough either do you?

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318. Dec 23, 2007 2:37 PM in response to: Active Toby
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing
Ok, no Ipods. Then no large group of racers and the purist can have the field to themselves. Smaller numbers of participants mean fewer sponsors, advertisers and smaller payouts. So for all of us who enjoy the races and the crowds - well we will have to create our own forums and forgo the purists. Who needs them anyway, I run for fun. As for safety, well with 17,000 runners I just don't think I'll be getting run over by any cars although running in Texas is a danger in and of itself. I say who cares let us have fun doing what we enjoy. I promise I won't run anyone over.
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319. Dec 23, 2007 2:42 PM in response to: maryt091
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

This is the weirdest post of all because people who are oblivious to others are oblivious with and without Ipods. Last 2 half marathons I have run people have stopped in front of me to pick up gloves they dropped. I had to curse at one guy who almost flipped me because the jerk just stopped, ran back to his glove and bent over right in front of me. The second time it happened I was a lot more prepared and when the person stopped and turned around I gave them a wide berth. Guess what? Neither one was wearing headphones they were talking to their race partners!
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Dec 21, 2007
320. Dec 23, 2007 5:50 PM in response to: RunFatPat
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing WAIT TIL ITS YOU!!!
So if this is about courtesy then costumes that impair peripheral vision and gimmicks such as juggling while running and running backwards (see 56runner post) should also be banned from races! And maybe ban the walkers/socialites, too, since they often don't hear the runners saying "On your left", because they are too busy talking. If you're going to turn races into some sort of police state, then ban everything that is a potential hazard....including shoe laces which might come untied!!
Click to view 5Kmom's profile Amateur 14 posts since
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321. Dec 23, 2007 6:34 PM in response to: Active Toby
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

I err on the side of allowing personal choice as to run or not run with your iPod. I train with mine and have run a few races with it, but I am not an elite runner who will ever win any major event. What in the world does it matter??? Safety issue...give me a break. My uncle was hit by a car during a 10K race 30 years ago (long before the advent of the iPod), so saying this is a safety issue, is part hooey. I wonder what other restrictions the directors will infringe on racing...cell phones? (yes, I have raced while people chit chatted on their cell phones). Heart rate monitors? Garmins?

There is always a risk whenever I step out the door to run, but I know the risks. I love to run, some days with music, some without. I am not an elite runner and never will be, but let me tell you, when one is out on the course of a marathon (4+ hours) without allowing any music, that will be the day when I no longer choose to run those races. I think it's just another excuse...for the race directors to plump up their feathers!

Happy Running!

Nancy

PS. If music doesn't play such an integral part of exercise, I wonder why my gym plays the music so doggone loud???

Click to view maryt091's profile Legend 806 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
322. Dec 24, 2007 12:11 PM in response to: 5Kmom
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Nancy

You might be willing to take risks yourself, but your wearing headphones doesn't affect you alone. That's the problem.

Your choice and those of others to wear headphones in a race can disrupt the race for other runners often without the headphone wearers even being aware enough to realize they are a problem. Otherwise, why would so many care?

Frankly the risks to you are probably small; it's the others you and those like you effect that concern me. I'm sick of having to dodge the oblivious when I race and when I'm on the volunteer side I'm sick of being asked to repeat things that headphone wearers don't hear, and/or having mid race instructions ignored. Try being a race director or even volunteering once in a while.. I think you'll see banning headphones is not just some excuse for race directors to plump up their feathers! What a ridiculous statement! Have you ever been involved in organizing a race or have you ever volunteered? I have. See what it's like on the other side for a change and try to manage a finish line when half the people won't pay attention to instructions, or see what it's like to direct people at mid course race splits when half of them don't pay attention - all because they are wearing headphones, before you go spouting off at the mouth about race directors.

Sure not all headphone wearers cause problems, but with increasing numbers, the problems caused are growing and bans are more likely o be enforced, as they were at Grandma's this year. Most runners find they really can race without the distraction of their music and many enjoy the whole experience even more headphone-free. Races fill up well before deadlines and are way overcrowded as it is, so I doubt a headphone ban will do anything but help make races more enjoyable for ALL participants and volunteers and race directors as well.

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323. Dec 25, 2007 3:15 PM in response to: maryt091
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing
No offense to those who are so sure that headphones are the cause of people's inattentiveness at races but I think that that is an extremely gross generalization. I have been racing since '99 and personally have never caused an accident at races and almost always wear my music. So I geuss for the elitist runners out there, then the deaf, the inexperienced, and those not thinking that the local 10k is an Olympic trial should be banned too. If the deaf can negotiate city traffic, then I can certainly avoid the runners around me using my eyes in any race. Look around you when you change directions or stop. It's what you do when you drive isn't it?
Click to view Paul828's profile Community Moderator 81 posts since
Dec 25, 2007
324. Dec 25, 2007 5:09 PM in response to: Active Toby
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

I began running in the middle 70's when not so many people were doing it. I quickly took the attitude that if you had music in your ears, not as easy back then, then you weren't a "Real" runner. I held on to this attitude for the next couple of decades. I remember voicing it to my soon to be wife in the middle 90's.

Now, that collecting and running with "mood" music is so much easier, and maybe I have mellowed over the years, my attitude toward pounding with Mozart has changed. I have found it a fantastic experience to run to your own music; music that doesn't skip with every other step, or loose frequency, or has to be turned over when the tape runs out on that side.

I would think that that race officials would have more of an issue with the inhancing drug that music would give the competitors that the saftey issue. I mean, all of us sign the waver that says that the organizers of the race are not responsible and that we are racing at our own risk, with or without being plugged in. However, isn't there a potential endorfin advantage to the I-Pod racer against the non-I-Pod user. Shouldn't the race officials be more concerned with the advanctage of this inhancing drug production of the technology? (tonge in check revealed, in case you couldn't see it).

Waiting for replies on this perspective to the issue.

Paul828

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Dec 25, 2007
325. Dec 25, 2007 5:23 PM in response to: maryt091
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Hey Nancy,

Yes, your saying that you have volunteered before just once would have communicated that fact.

Having volunteered before myself, exactly what urgent mid-race information are you having to communicate that is frustrating you so. If the runners don't receive information about the water station, or the correct turn, then that is their loss for choosing to tune into other things. Don't let it bother you so.

If you are having trouble navigating around so many music listeners to keep your pace, I am assuming that you are having to passing them not them passing you that is so frustrating, shall I recommend that you position yourself in the pack more appropriately. It sounds like it would be just as frustrating to have to pass so many "slower" runners and miss the opportunity for your PR whether they can hear your commanding "Left" message as you approach them from the rear the first time you bellow or not.

Paul828

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Dec 25, 2007
326. Dec 25, 2007 5:25 PM in response to: maryt091
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Sorry, I should have addressed my last comment to Mary, not Nancy.

Paul828

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Dec 25, 2007
327. Dec 25, 2007 5:28 PM in response to: 5Kmom
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Rock on Nancy. I am with you.

Give me choice, or give me the death of hardening arteries...maybe I went too far with that.

Paul828

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328. Dec 25, 2007 8:23 PM in response to: Active Toby
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing
How about we educate novice runners (and walkers) that they need to stay to the right, or at least out of the way of faster runners? Music isn't the biggest issue, it's ignorance of common etiquette in a race. A race is a shared environment, and we all have an obligation to be courteous to our fellow athletes. Wear an iPod if you like, but keep the volume to a level where you can hear race officials and other runners....then just be polite, with or without your music.
Click to view Paul828's profile Community Moderator 81 posts since
Dec 25, 2007
329. Dec 25, 2007 9:05 PM in response to: leesaleigh
Re: The iPod conflict brews in racing

Right on leesaleigh. I agree with your courteous comments. Many times though, ignorance is taken as being impolite when it is simply not knowing what the expectations are because this is my first race.

Paul828