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19 Replies Last post: Dec 17, 2004 11:53 AM by Mikey314159   1 2 Previous Next
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Nov 2, 2004 3:00 PM

I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?

I'm 13 yrs old, I've only been running for a week, but I was pretty unfit before.. now I've just started doing 5k, and my time is 27 minutes (the only tool I use for measuring time is an analogue watch), at a slow pace. I could be running faster, but my feet get so sore so quickly. I need to do some major hillworkouts.

Is this time bad for a complete newbie 13 year old girl?!
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1. Nov 2, 2004 3:08 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
There are tons of runners on these boards that wish they could run a 27 minute 5k right now. When I first started running in high school I was 15 and couldn't make it 2 miles without walking. My family didn't have alot of money so I wore big ole Nike basketball shoes and finished dead last behind the slowest girl....and I'm a guy. My coach was very good and kept me motivated not to quit and by my senior year I had a 5k time of 17:12 a mile time of 4:33 and a 2 mile time of 10:08. Be patient.....these things take time.

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2. Nov 2, 2004 3:10 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
I hope you don't mind a reply from a 40 year old, but I couldn't resist.

You've only been running for a week, many new runners can't even complete a 5K for several months after starting. Don't worry about your time.

I know you are young and will progress faster than I could at my ancient age, but please adjust your expectations. You are way (WAY WAY) ahead of yourself. You shouldn't even worry about timing yourself until you've been running for a few months.

You feet are getting sore because you have no base, that is you haven't accumulated enough miles for your body to be used to running. Just keep running 3 or 4 times a week for the next few months, and then try measuring your speed. I think you are doing great. Don't expect too much too soon.

(BTW: It took me a year and a half to get from 30+ minute 5K's to sub-20 minute 5K's.)

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3. Nov 2, 2004 3:25 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
Are you kidding? I'm 45 yrs old, 210 lbs and I've been stuck in the 27 min. 5k time for 1 year. That is a great time for your age, pat yourself on the back. Actually my 13 yr old son runs a little faster but he's very tall and a naturally good runner. He is starting to train with me though.

Please be encouraged to challenge yourself to think in the long term. Ok? Before you know it you will be doing 26 min 5k's, 25 min. 5k's. You get the point, remember to step up very slowlly so you dont 1) burn out 2) injure yourself. Stay at the 27 min point to strengten your connective tissues. Once a week do a faster 5k but stay aerobic with your other runs.

Aerobic means you can breathe and talk comfortably. Before you know it your aerobic runs will be faster paced. Do the 1 faster run once a week for several months and then you can safely add 1 more per week.Please dont rush into it by thinking this the only thing in life to accomplish.
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4. Nov 3, 2004 5:41 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
the key is to stay consistent and gradual with your training, right now you should be doing 20-22 mpw w/ 1 or 2 days off. Stay focused, eat right, train with purpose. You can even get into the 18's next year with the right training and effort, cutting that much is feasible, its just cutting the "fat" the "bulk" of that time which should come fairly easy since you have only been running for a week and should expect major improvements, Talk to some older runners on your xc team and theyll tell you what you should do and what things they wished they did in their earlier years
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5. Nov 3, 2004 5:50 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by track1234:
the key is to stay consistent and gradual with your training, right now you should be doing 20-22 mpw w/ 1 or 2 days off. Stay focused, eat right, train with purpose. You can even get into the 18's next year with the right training and effort, cutting that much is feasible, its just cutting the "fat" the "bulk" of that time which should come fairly easy since you have only been running for a week and should expect major improvements, Talk to some older runners on your xc team and theyll tell you what you should do and what things they wished they did in their earlier years<HR>



Bad advice...no one who has only been running a week should be running 20-22 mpw with only 1 or 2 days off. That is a sure way to get injured. Also very few 14-year old girls can run a 5K in the 18's...only a handful in the whole U.S. Chances are, most of them started running long before 13. Don't give her unrealistic goals to shoot for...that's more likely to discourage her than encourage her. But yes, she should improve rapidly. 27 minutes after 1 week of running is awesome.
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6. Nov 3, 2004 6:24 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
You are definately judging yourself way too soon. When i first started running - i'm a girl, and had just turned 14 - i was dying doing 3 miles in 25 minutes. (That's around a 26 min. 5K, give or take.) i had been running for 2 weeks, two miles almost every day.
That was in the beginning of the summer. By the end of the summer i could run 6 miles at that same pace. And by the time xc season was over, two months later, i could do a 5K in under 22 min. The next year (last year) my 5K time was under 21 minutes, and it's about the same this year.

Your feet being sore probably has a lot to do with your shoes. This might sound like a stupid question, but are you wearing running shoes? i watch the jr. high xc team run and most of them just wear their school shoes. You also should not be wearing an old beat-up pair of running shoes that you always hang out in - your running shoes should be exclusively for running.

You DEFINATELY don't need any hill workouts yet. Like everyone else said, you need to build a base or you are setting yourself up for burnout/injury. i say timing urself is ok - i know that not knowing my pace really bothers me. this was how my base training was for that first summer:
1st week: 2 miles per day
2nd week: 2 miles per day
3rd week: 3 mpd
4th week: 3 mpd
5th week: 4 mpd
6th week: 4 mpd
7th week: 4 mpd
8th week: 5 mpd
last day of last week: 6 miles.

This was a training regimine that my coach gave to all the new freshmen joining the team. He gave us every other saturday off. i think that was a little much to expect from someone who had never really run before - i think a day or two off a week is ok. Then u can start speedwork, hill workouts, etc.

Well now that i just bored u to tears...good luck!


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7. Nov 5, 2004 7:49 AM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
Like everyone said, you shouldn't judge yourself so soon, many new runners cannot do a 5k in 27 min or even do a whole 5k at all. My first 5k was 26 min, two years later I could do it in 19:40. Don't worry, you'll improve very quickly.



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8. Nov 16, 2004 11:19 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by CKeesling:
There are tons of runners on these boards that wish they could run a 27 minute 5k right now. When I first started running in high school I was 15 and couldn't make it 2 miles without walking. My family didn't have alot of money so I wore big ole Nike basketball shoes and finished dead last behind the slowest girl....and I'm a guy. My coach was very good and kept me motivated not to quit and by my senior year I had a 5k time of 17:12 a mile time of 4:33 and a 2 mile time of 10:08. Be patient.....these things take time.

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haha i remember when i couldnt run 2 miles w/o walking too. hehe. i walked at least 2 steps in every x-c race i had my first yr.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by xdiax:
I'm 13 yrs old, I've only been running for a week, but I was pretty unfit before.. now I've just started doing 5k, and my time is 27 minutes (the only tool I use for measuring time is an analogue watch), at a slow pace. I could be running faster, but my feet get so sore so quickly. I need to do some major hillworkouts.

Is this time bad for a complete newbie 13 year old girl?!
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not at all. probably what i was doing when i was first starting to run mayb even slower than that but i didnt run my first 5k til i had been running for 5 weeks. i was a year older than you are in fact. i ran that 5k in the 24s(walking part of it of course since i couldnt even do a 2 mile w/o walking and used to do my 2 miles in 14-16 minutes). now i run 19s. wait another good 4 weeks and you will be alot faster. people who first start feel like it is impossible but after awhile it becomes easy. it doesnt mean you are "talentless", just out of shape.




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9. Nov 16, 2004 11:23 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by track1234:
.You can even get into the 18's next year with the right training and effort, cutting that much is feasible, its just cutting the "fat" the "bulk" of that time which should come fairly easy since you have only been running for a week and should expect major improvements, <HR>


hahahah i started running when i was 14 and i wasnt even close to being capable of doing 18s til i was 17.
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10. Nov 17, 2004 10:25 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
Hey that is extremely good. Last May when I was 15, I decided to run a 5K without any training at all and ended up with a nasty 30 minute time and severe fatigue. About 5 days later I started a regular running schedule, and a month later I did a 22 minute 5K. A few words of advice: Keep training. Build up a good base, and don't kill yourself trying to do too much. You'll see that 5K time shoot into the low 20s probably within a couple months, and maybe the 19s in a year or less. Also, make sure you keep a regular running schedule. I just came back from not running hardly at all for about 2 months. I regret it greatly, though I'm almost back to the level that I was at before the slump. Finally, go out there and enjoy this running sport!
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11. Nov 19, 2004 8:58 AM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
It will help if you eat more than 800 Calories a day, too.
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13. Nov 19, 2004 8:46 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
well if it was that quick & easy to get good and fulfill your potential, then i wouldve gotten bored and retired a long time ago.

Ah yes, time to reminisce.......

let's see, i turned to the dark side and took up this **** foolish sport when i hooked up with the middle school xc team at age 12. To put it mildy, it was **** on earth. I didnt know it was possible for the human body to put up with so much pain. I hurt all over after every practice, especially those 3-4 mile 'long runs'. I get to my first race, end up walking part of it and ran 19:57 for 2 miles, good for second to last. At this point i said, i'm a talentless hack, why do i do this to myself? Second race, still have to walk, but not as much, and end up beating more kids than i did before. benchmarks! Third race, i ran the whole **** thing and beat even more kids.....benchmarks! So i stick with it and train fairly steadily through middle school, improving bit by bit....ran my first ever 5k road race the summer after 7th grade in 27:45, after i'd been running for almost a year, wow i suck!........trained hard through 8th grade, ran a PR of 2:38 in the 800 at the state track meet and ran my second 5k road race in 23:02 that summer, friggin benchmarks!

Was very intimated when i joined my high school team, but stuck with it and benefitted from having faster guys to run with. got down to an 18 minute 5k my senior year, got all-class in the indoor 1000, and qualified for outdoor states with a 2:07 800. Now i'm a soph in college and running on a solid D2 team...toward the back of the pack, but still able to hang with all the guys.


Yea, i knew i sucked and i knew it hurt, and i knew it made me want to curl up in a cemetary for an extended nap. But something inside me made me keep going. As bad as it got, i liked the feeling of accomplishment it gave me when it was over. This was the first time in my life i really challenged myself like i was doing. While i didnt love the sport so much at the time, i grew to crave the challenge. That's how i got to where i am and wherever the **** i'll end up.

The bottom line is that everyone sucks at the beginning, but before making any sort of judgement about talent, you need to put the time and effort in to see what's in the cards for you. All you have to do is want it.



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14. Nov 24, 2004 2:16 PM in response to: xdiax
Re: I am a talentless hack. Why do I do this to myself?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by xdiax:
Is 1000 good enough?<HR>


Are you kidding? A runner should be eating over 2,000 every day. I personally eat about 2500-3000 per day. (and I'm not fat).