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Stalker23

13 posts since
Aug 15, 2005

Jun 9, 2006 7:36 PM

Weights and running

Does weight lifting and long distence running not mix? What is the best way to get both strength results and endurence?

I need a running schedual that can accomodate squatting 3 days per week, and still up my endurence.

If this is not possible, is there a runing schedual that cna help raise my GPP, but still help keep the endurence i have?

Stalker23

13 posts since
Aug 15, 2005

1. Jun 9, 2006 7:39 PM

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Re: Weights and running

could this work....maybe do my weight training for like 4-5 weeks, and during my delaoding phase, do base building for endurence.....

How quckly do you lose endurence

xcrunner97

110 posts since
Mar 18, 2006

2. Jun 9, 2006 7:49 PM

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Re: Weights and running

ya im tryin to do that too so any responses will help me too and probably a lot of others out there

Crazy1004

1,039 posts since
Jan 29, 2006

3. Dec 24, 2007 10:28 PM

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Re: Weights and running

NEVER lift weights. they will destroy you. pure evil.

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beanpole

239 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

4. Jun 9, 2006 8:37 PM

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haha um....WHAT...ARE...YOU...TALKING...ABOUT...???? lol sorry. but seriosly. weight lifting for "tone" will NOT harm you. go for lighter weights. 3 times a week. preferable AFTER A RUN and do maybe 3 sets of 12 or so. i suggest googling this. (eg. strength training for runners) or ask a coach

bruncle

718 posts since
Sep 26, 2005

5. Jun 9, 2006 9:51 PM

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Re: Weights and running

Just don't take creatine and give yourself adequate time to recover from both sorts of workouts. You need some muscle strength for maintaining good running form, so you might be setting yourself up for an injury if you consistently run soon after totally wrecking yourself in the gym.

Stalker23

13 posts since
Aug 15, 2005

6. Jun 10, 2006 10:00 AM

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Re: Weights and running

Ok i think ive figured it out. Pretty much, what im going to try to do, is weight lift and strength train at the same time, but while im doing lighter weight lifging, and not setting PR's, ill be doing more of a base building for CC for like 5 weeks to keep my endurence up. this would mean the first week i run like 12 miles, and by the end of the 5th week, id be running like 25 miles. Then once i start to get heavier in the weight lifting, ill drop the run distences down, and even concentrate more on GPP work, and more intervals and plyometric, and jumprope....

how does that sound?

MileRunnerDD

183 posts since
Apr 22, 2006

7. Jun 10, 2006 2:46 PM

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Re: Weights and running

The thing to do is go for low wieght high reps. Don't bench press 75 pounds 3 times and be done. That will give you muslce that looks really great, but is useless for running. Do all sorts of exercises with weights, but make sure it is light enough for you. The typical rule is if you can't do 15 reps, it's too heavy. I personally perfer free weights, but machines work just as well.

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Stalker23

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Aug 15, 2005

8. Jun 10, 2006 4:17 PM

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Re: Weights and running

Im doing strength training and endurence running....i have to do heavy weights to get stronger, so thats out of the question.

Crazy1004

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Jan 29, 2006

9. Jun 10, 2006 6:32 PM

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Re: Weights and running

quote:<HR>Originally posted by Stalker23:
i have to do heavy weights to get stronger, so thats out of the question.<HR>

that some of the most perverted logic i've ever heard

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They didn’t know my shoulder was broken so I just kept riding

People don't Understand how hard it is to win a bike race...That my problem...I make it look easy

It's Easy to lie with stats, but it's easier to lie without them.

Stalker23

13 posts since
Aug 15, 2005

10. Jun 10, 2006 9:02 PM

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Re: Weights and running

ok....im sure you kow alot about lifting.....

but besides you, anyone here have a good running schedual that can increaes endurence, without totally mitigating lifting (im doing a 5 x 5)

alexanderthegr8042

1,229 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

11. Jun 10, 2006 11:59 PM

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Re: Weights and running

Lifting weights is like running, you don't do the same thing all the time. It is okay to throw in a weight session with low reps and high weight. I actually find that doing the low reps, high weight helps me out if I decide I want to add another 5-10lbs to what i would normally be lifting in a 3x10 weight session.

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Stalker23

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12. Dec 24, 2007 10:28 PM

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Re: Weights and running

So are you saying your choosing a light weight, that you can probably do like 20 times, then only doing it 10 for 3 sets, and then adding 5-10 lbs the next weekuntil you stall out on adding weight?

and how do you include your running schedual? Especial around squat days...........

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alexanderthegr8042

1,229 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

13. Jun 11, 2006 11:14 AM

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Re: Weights and running

I'll reword in an example that might be easier to understand.
If you are doing 3x10 @ 90lbs on the benchpress and you can't seem to get any more weight (which is likely to happen from time to time), drop the numer of reps to say 3x5 and do 100-110lbs. I find that in the next session I will have a far easier time (mentally and physically) doing that 95lbs for 3x10. Is that easier to understand?
Also squats are generally a means of building explosiveness so I never really did them but would rather do plyos which work the same area.

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hellohi

137 posts since
Feb 25, 2006

14. Jun 11, 2006 12:22 PM

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I took weightlifting during track season and used to do it during xc. I honestly think it helped wiht hills and the kick at the end of the race. But after squat day i would be dead tired, and all in all i think it probably slowed me down more than it helped. I'm preety sure running long distances also stopped me from getting as strong as i would have with out running them. But I still made gains in both of them, got up to 170 bench and an 11 minute 2 mile.
So i was in the same boat as you, doing strength training while trying to be a good runner. Now that summers started I'm gonna stop lifting weihgts a lot and just do pushups pullups and abs, (I know thats not the kind of strength your looking for) and focus on running.
and crazy, stalker is right, if he wants to get good maxes which i'm assuming he does he needs to do heavy weihgts unless hes just begininng.
I'd just try to do the same running I'd do if I wasnt squatting that day, but once again I definently wasnt as fast as I would have been.

Btw I did the 5 chart a lot also.

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