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45 Replies Last post: Sep 21, 2006 11:04 PM by NAB1984   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 Previous Next
Click to view Grizzly039's profile Legend 451 posts since
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30. Dec 25, 2007 6:41 AM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
Amused, or delighted? Methinks you maybe like stirring up the pot to achieve a desired result that you can point to and say "See... those guys that don't like earphones are intolerant elitist snobs". And whether it was sarcasm or not, YOU mentioned it first, so perhaps your little agitation did the trick.

Lew, I've been around here since 1999 and let me say that you are the first to label me elitist or a snob. But hey... I'll wear them proudly.

I don't like earphones. I have a hearing disability that according to my MD diminishes my hearing to the point that a person who is wearing earphones at a low to moderate level is impaired. When I take my hearing aid out I think I can hear, but I can't... it is a safety hazard. So I have personal evidence of their ability to be a safety hazard. But if people want to wear them fine.

I find that a number of people who run with earphones get very defensive about them. Hey, I prefer running without because wat I can hear is something that energizes me. I can understand earphones for treadmill users... and as I've said, it's your dime. And guess what? This snob actually gasp has friends who run with them, and he even runs with them when they wear them. Say it ain't so!

Just don't link earphones to the ability to run. There is no bio-mechanical link between the ear and the feet that I can see. If you use them to help you pace yourself... FINE. But come on Lew, even you can see that bailing because of an earphone problem is not akin to bailing because you're sick or injured.

I've given enough lame excuses to see one and name it. "It takes one to know one." And I'm not backing down from the claim.

What are some of the lame excuses I've used?

Ummm... my dog was tired. (Why couldn't I have dropped her off and continued?)

I wore mismatched shoes. (Don't ask... and I'd made it 3 miles before noticing)

I really want to run for an hour and I only have 50 minutes (so don't run at all?)

My elbow hurt.


And I'll state my other biases out in the open here so that others can point to my snobbery:

I will never run shirtless. I admire those that do, but hey I'd scare the little children.

I think that the barefoot runners are insane, but, they are right, all we need are our feet.

I hate the treadmill. I use it once a week, but I've found it can screw up my gait. Great for speed work, but I'd prefer to be outside in -40 temps.

I will not Gallowalk. Tried it, and while I will take walk breaks at aid stations I'd prefer to train to run the whole thing. They want to walk... fine, just don't block my way.

So... you wanna call me elite and a snob, so be it. I happen to think we're all runners... those who lace up and head out the door or onto the treadmill, those who Gallowalk and those who use earphones. But I know a lame excuse when I see one.

And for the record, I piped in only because of the accusations of elitism and snobbery flying around. Someone posts here or anywhere on these fora and they are open to comment. As I said, not trying to pick a fight... but perhaps others were.

You want to continue it to prove a point about us elitist snobs you are free to, but it'll be without me, I'm done.

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Click to view hopeful's profile Amateur 14 posts since
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31. Sep 13, 2006 6:18 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
(I'm staying out of the debate) I actually asked for ipod earphone advice too!(see gear) and I took someone's advice kind of, but I am bad with links.(but there IS a link there that someone sent me) Mine are Sony, over the ear- sport ones-I got them in like one day from Amazon, @ $10.00?.
The amazoners gave mixed reviews, but I find them just perfect! SOOOO much better than the ipod buds.

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Click to view LewJ's profile Pro 149 posts since
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32. Sep 14, 2006 8:05 AM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Grizzly:
I happen to think we're all runners... <HR>


And that, in the end, really is the point.

Cheers.

-- Lew
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33. Sep 14, 2006 7:33 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
Grizzly that is the same reason I do not wear earphones. Well as far as that goes I have a story I could tell you about running and quitting on the run and races report I could tell you if you are interested. I can also say that I do not like wearing them and would not recommend them at all. Just my opinion though.
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34. Sep 15, 2006 1:36 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
I run with my IPOD every run. So does Dan Browne....Guess we're just Lame.

I like the "You can't race with your IPOD, so you shouldn't train with it either" comment. I usually get that from people behind me at the finish.

I think I might call it a day if my earphone broke in the middle of a run. Actually I might have done that already.

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35. Sep 16, 2006 2:50 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
I have Sony MDR-A34, over the ear, bought at Amazon (just like a previous poster). They were cheap, they work well and allow me to hear what's going on around me, and they don't hurt my ears like the ipod buds.
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36. Sep 18, 2006 2:14 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
hijack Woo-hoo! I made into a signature! [/hijack]

Um, carry on.
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37. Sep 19, 2006 4:32 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
I thought marathon training was both mental and physical. What's going on inside your head is just as important as what's going on with your body. Running for the right reasons and wrong reasons is still running. That person is off their butt and hitting the pavement, so why criticize them for quitting a training run.

I think some people's inner "voices" just aren't as entertaining as music. I've been bitten by the music bug and don't plan on running the marathon without my MP3 player. But to respect those who think we'll trample over them if we have music playing in our ears, I will kindly leave one ear open. But they are not BANNED from marathons, they are strongly discouraged.

Lastly, is there a big difference between running a quiet trail with music on and running a marathon with thousands of screaming fans and bands? Why not train with music on! I think you'd be better prepared!!
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38. Sep 19, 2006 5:28 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
quote:<HR>But they are not BANNED from marathons, they are strongly discouraged. <HR>


Hmm, I'll have to check my dictionary again to see where "Prohibited" means "strongly discouraged".

Check out the 7th bullet below in the below link for the OFFICIAL RULES of the Chicago Marathon.

http://www.chicagomarathon.com/page_L2.aspx?subMenu=&Page_ID=938&Nav_2_ID=549&Page_Title=Official%20Rules[/URL" target="_blank">
Click to view 91Aggie's profile Amateur 25 posts since
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39. Sep 19, 2006 5:34 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
Depends on the marathon.

Chicago outright prohibits them... NYC strongly discourages them... Houston and Austin don't even mention them.

It's all a to-do about nothing.

The anti-headphone facists always come up with anecdotal evidence about how they've seen someone with headphones in a race cause problems, but never mention the people without headphones who cause problems... certainly had more non-headphone wearers stopping right in front of me at water stops than headphone wearers.

If you wear them in a race, just make sure you pay attention to your surroundings.

Seems to me all these people paying so much attention to their breathing and heartbeat are probably just as oblivious to their surroundings as the headphone wearers.

And usually, the people that are causing the biggest issues during races are the socialites who are in a big pack yapping away not noticing that they are blocking a large section of the road, and definitely not noticing when people are trying to pass them.
Click to view 91Aggie's profile Amateur 25 posts since
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40. Sep 19, 2006 5:42 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
Oh, and it's still lame to bag a run because your headphones died.
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41. Sep 19, 2006 6:17 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
quote:<HR>Originally posted by 91Aggie:
Depends on the marathon.

Chicago outright prohibits them... NYC strongly discourages them... Houston and Austin don't even mention them.

It's all a to-do about nothing.

The anti-headphone facists always come up with anecdotal evidence about how they've seen someone with headphones in a race cause problems, but never mention the people without headphones who cause problems... certainly had more non-headphone wearers stopping right in front of me at water stops than headphone wearers.

If you wear them in a race, just make sure you pay attention to your surroundings.

Seems to me all these people paying so much attention to their breathing and heartbeat are probably just as oblivious to their surroundings as the headphone wearers.
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We certainly agree on its being lame to bag a run to bag a run because your headphones died, but please.... those who are anti-headphones are Fascists??? If it were really all to do about nothing, do you think there would be so many people who are against headphones? Why would anyone care?

I have NEVER had a problem in a race with anyone who was not wearing headphones, but have seen MANY problems with those who do wear them. I've probably had a lot more experience than most of the posters. I've run over 700 races over the years. How many have you run?

Although most headphone wearers don't cause problems, I certainly have seen problems caused by many - and way more than I have ever seen caused by runners who do not wear headphones. Two women wearing headphones stopped short right in front of me just this past Sunday - and there were less than 10% of the runners wearing headphones if that, and no problems with anyone else.

I remember one race when a volunteer had to physically yank a headphone wearer who was totally oblivious to the fact an ambulance was trying to come through, so I can understand very well the safety issues that have many races banning them. I've never seen anything like that with anyone not wearing headphones.

I was talking with a race director recently who has been having a lot of problems this year with finishing chutes because of the oblivious in headphones not paying attention. Last fall I was at a finishing chute myself when a headphone wearing just cruised on by on the left - totally oblivious to the fact that everyone else was going into the chute on the right hand side of the road. A volunteer had to chase her down. (Personally, I would have let her keep going into the next state!)

It's not primarily hearing that's an issue. I've seen occasions when people wearing headphones have been distracted, so concentranted on their music, they didn't realize turns or water stops were coming up, and switched sides of the road at the last second into the path of other runners, causing other runners to stop short to avoid bumping into each other. Much of the time the inconsiderate are oblivious and aren't even aware enough to realize they have caused any problems! You don't have to actually make contact to disrupt another runner's race. Although I've had that happen, too, for example when a headphone wearer cut across my heels making a mad dash to change course after realizing she was heading straight and everyone else was turning right. I've never had anyone make contact who was not wearing headphones.

Is it reallly any wonder that so many experienced racers and race directors cringe when they see people at races wearing headphones?
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42. Sep 20, 2006 7:31 AM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
I picked up these yesterday and tried them out on my run. They fit perfectly and never moved. They're so light you don't really feel them either. Won't comment on sound quality because I'm using my cell phone's walkman until my new ipod comes in. But that shouldn't be an issue when running anyways.

I got them from the local Academy (sporting goods store) for $10.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000092YR6/ref=pd_cp_e_title/104-9220421-4842304?ie=UTF8[/URL" target="_blank">
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43. Sep 20, 2006 7:44 AM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
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44. Sep 21, 2006 10:37 PM in response to: NAB1984
Re: Earphones
quote:<HR>Originally posted by 91Aggie:
Oh, and it's still lame to bag a run because your headphones died. <HR>


Stupid elitist.