quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ripplerun:
I was having a conversation with my non-Baptist friend about this the other night and we both agreed that if Huckabee becomes President we'll have to move out of Texas.

I have a difficult time with the "we're so sure we're right" and ?one day I hope you see the light.? This attitude makes me crazy at times!

People in Texas seem to speak as if they assume everyone is Baptist....I can't tell you how many stories I've sat through about "his calling in the church", "his mission" etc. etc. etc. and the fact that everyone seems to say "THE CHURCH" as if there's only ONE church....I always follow it with "what church are you speaking of?"


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you don't say?

quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ripplerun:
okay okay...I get your point! Have you asked your Baptist neighbors if King James was gay....and if so how did that go?

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Hah!...I need to do that!

My problem with Romney is, he's from a political dynasty--just like Dubya and Al Gore, and the same could be said for John Kerry and a (swift-)boatload of other politicians.

Oligarchs.

Yeah, I guess I'm pleased to know the ruling class still allows its own to practice a religion of choice...that, or maybe it's just they want religious folk to think they're "one of us" for some reason.

Heck, I'm not sure I want a president that's "one of me." I'm unique.

(And, seriously, I tend to be put off when someone seems to be working hard to prove they "identify" with me and my concerns. Running for office? Just be yourself.)

That's all I've got to say about it.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ray Andrews:
My problem with Romney is, he's from a political dynasty--just like Dubya and Al Gore, and the same could be said for John Kerry and a (swift-)boatload of other politicians.

Oligarchs.

Yeah, I guess I'm pleased to know the ruling class still allows its own to practice a religion of choice...that, or maybe it's just they want religious folk to think they're "one of us" for some reason.

Heck, I'm not sure I want a president that's "one of me." I'm unique.

(And, seriously, I tend to be put off when someone seems to be working hard to prove they "identify" with me and my concerns. Running for office? Just be yourself.)

That's all I've got to say about it.

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Wow. A fleeting moment of lucidity from Ray.

Begrudgingly I must say I agree with you. I think.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by anaphase:
Well, the f'd up thing about Romney is that when he ran for Senator in MA in the mid-90s, talked it up about "equality for gays and lesbians" and anti-discrimination policies, equal rights, etc. He definitely courted the log cabin republicans then, and in 2002. When he was running for governor he attended the pride parade here and passed out flyers with some kind of equality message on them, trying to court the gay vote. As soon as he started thinking about running for president, however, all the anti-gay marriage stuff started coming out of his mouth and he became much more conservative.

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and that's the problem i have w/ M.R. you really can't be sure where he stands. he's the GOP's version of a clinton.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris the Wheeler:
I mean really, who cares? Why are people so worked up oover it? It's just happens to be his religon. It's not like he's a Muslim Extremist that has the goal of destroying Israel.<HR>

Would you say the same thing about an atheist candidate? Or a Unitarian Universalist candidate?

quote:<HR>Originally posted by anaphase:
Well, the f'd up thing about Romney is that when he ran for Senator in MA in the mid-90s, talked it up about "equality for gays and lesbians" and anti-discrimination policies, equal rights, etc. He definitely courted the log cabin republicans then, and in 2002. When he was running for governor he attended the pride parade here and passed out flyers with some kind of equality message on them, trying to court the gay vote. As soon as he started thinking about running for president, however, all the anti-gay marriage stuff started coming out of his mouth and he became much more conservative.

He's an opportunist, at best, but I have a few other choice words for him. <HR>

I absolutely agree. And I agree with luckylily that he did not do a good job as Governor of MA. And he spent barely one term as the governor, and that's the extent of his political experience.

I don't care about his religion, the real issue is that he's an incredibly inexperienced politician who uses his millions of dollars to buy a chance at the nomination.

As for his religion affecting his social values...there are plenty of other socially conservative politicians who share his anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-social progress views. We have a good chance at having a POTUS who shares those values, regardless of whether s/he's a Mormon or not.

I suppose it's a mildly interesting fact that Mormonism (which was "invented" less than 200 years ago) has a strong anti-Federalist history. But the real story is, Romney has no business being President for a zillion reasons other than his religion.