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Click to view wyrillco's profile Legend 347 posts since
Oct 3, 2007
15. Aug 23, 2007 5:58 PM in response to: chrisuletz
I like to go to Spin. There are always a few guys in our class, and in the winter there are more.

My gym has a long ride (60 min on Saturday and 90 min on Sunday) in addition to regular 45 minute spin classes.

I have a trainer and I use it in the winter, too. I don't always have a plan, it's more general cardio. Although this winter, I'm hoping to improve my biking some.

I guess what I like about Spin is that they have a workout all ready to go. I work harder in the classes than I do on my own. But that's probably just me!!

I hate stationary bikes at the gym. They suck. We do have a few spin bikes on the floor that we can use in leiu of the stationary ones. But still, I'd rather be in class.
Click to view wyrillco's profile Legend 347 posts since
Oct 3, 2007
16. Aug 23, 2007 6:03 PM in response to: chrisuletz
quote:<HR>Originally posted by ussoccer:
Get a Trainer. Or do Spin. Skip the stationary exercycle unless it truly fits in nicely to your schedule.

Trainer - You will not burn out of the Trainer if when ever you hop on for a workout, you are doing just that -- a workout, a pre-defined workout, even if you're the one pre-defining it. Hit the Trainer 2 or 3 times per week for QUALITY, and you will improve immensely. If all you are doing is spinning endlessly without focus, you are doing it wrong (if you want to gain fitness on the bike as opposed to not caring about getting stronger and just sitting on it to lose weight).

Spin Class - This is a great alternative, but in my mind, all you need is a Trainer.

Love the Trainer. It is your friend. If only you will let it be that.

My focus this year winter, once again, be the Trainer. And you know what? I'm very, very, very excited to start up again. I have really grown to enjoy it. But again, only quality. If you do quality and only quality, you will not burn out. Quality doesn't need to be hour upon hour spinning and grinding. It could be as little as 30 minutes or as much as 2 hours. I tend to hit it for 45 to 1 hour on my regular workouts (in the winter).
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Would you share some of what you do? I always feel aimless on the trainer.
Click to view ussoccer's profile Legend 1,748 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
17. Aug 23, 2007 6:34 PM in response to: chrisuletz
quote:<HR>Originally posted by wyrillco:
Would you share some of what you do? I always feel aimless on the trainer. <HR>

Although I'll share with you what I did last winter (haven't been on the Trainer since, like, April), know that I only had one year on it and mainly cobbled my workouts together from listening to folks here (Jr is awesome for this, as he'll drop a nice workout from time to time) and figuring out what I like to do as in what's fun.

Last winter I had three types of workouts. The first was really just a simple hodgepodge of intervals to get me fit enough to do the heavier lifting (the other two). After the first built enough strength, I no longer did it.

Basic

o WU - 15 minutes easy enough gear, but don't weenie here -- simulate a 1-2% grade of real road (just make sure there's good enough resistance). Keep cadence at 90.
o 5 x 1' gear up - maintain cad w/2' rest in between.
o CD - 10 min

Take this workout and make it harder as you get fitter. Lengthen the interval time. Increase number of intervals. Decrease rest. Things like that.

Intermediate I - Spin-Up

Work slowly up to this, as you probably will not be able to do it right away, and if you can, then gear up again, or increase resistance. But don't try to ramp up too quickly, because you'll have to watch the knees.

o WU - 15-20 min
o 8-10 x 5 min gear up, high cadence as possible while just about nearly dying at end of 5 min. By 4 min you should be staring at that **** clock because you want it over. Trust me. These are fun.
o CD - 10 min

Intermediate II - Gear-Up-&-Up

My ultimate favorite. This assumes G4 (gear 4) is your normal Trainer gear you used in WU. Try your very best to maintain 90 cadence. Guess if you don't have a meter. I don't.

o WU - 20 min (read a book, but maintain steadily increasing power -- cadence and pressure on the pedals -- but stay entirely within self, as if you could ride this way for another 30 mintues)
o 2 x 2' G5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 w/2-5 min rest
o CD - 10 min

The work load is to be read as follows: Gear up from 4 to 5 and hold with 90 cadence for 2 min. At end of 2 min, don't rest but instead gear up again and hold for two min. Go as far up as you can, and then back down. It hurts. Bad. Especially at first. But you will love it. It is my absolute FAVORITE. In fact, I had a long Trainer session planned early in my season where I did that very workout 8 times over a 3 hour span. I was dead. And I loved it!

Again, this is just an example. Wing your own. Once you get used to it, then you can focus on base build and all that horse stuff.

Also, Google "Trainer Workouts in a Binder". It seems good. I have it. But don't use it. Only because I'm the type that likes to wing my own.

Good luck.
Click to view mbannon's profile Legend 1,814 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
18. Aug 23, 2007 6:48 PM in response to: chrisuletz
I did a similar workout on the stationary bike at the gym last winter. Once a week or so I would warm up for 10 minutes, then increase the resistance one level and hold for 1-4 minutes (depending on the workout), then increase the resistance again, etc. I would continue this until I knew I was close to spent, then start going back down the resistance levels.

The increasing part is fun. The decreasing part is pure ****. What seemed easy in the beginning of the workout will feel nearly impossible by the end. Good stuff.


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Click to view 4boysmom's profile Legend 1,307 posts since
Dec 10, 2007
19. Aug 23, 2007 9:09 PM in response to: chrisuletz
trainer. It's your bike, set up for you. My old one was VERY loud. The newer fluid trainer is much quieter. However, son is still on an old style trainer, so it's still quite noisy in the basement!

Get out when you can. Son and I did this more this spring than in the past. We got BORED in the basement and needed a break!

I would not use a stationary bike. I swear that using it for warm up at PT caused more problems!
Click to view 3chilipeppers's profile Legend 696 posts since
Nov 3, 2007
20. Aug 24, 2007 12:50 AM in response to: chrisuletz
I agree on not using a stationary bike. It just isn't even close! I tried one at the hotel I was staying at in Colorado, and it was horrible. I lasted 10 mins. I did use the stationary bike when I first started cycling to build my leg muscles and because I had very little time to fit in cycling outdoors. Once I built up my muscles, though, I started cycling outdoors, and I'll never get on a stationary bike again!

I've been thinking about getting a trainer, but I'm just not sure. I can probably ride outside through the winter, so I don't need it for that. I would want it to do some strength training and more specific training on the bike.

I'd love to do a spin class, but I'm not a member at the YMCA, and they don't provide childcare unless you are a member. I might be able to go when DS is in preschool this year. We'll see.

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21. Aug 24, 2007 1:11 AM in response to: chrisuletz
quote:<HR>Originally posted by chrisuletz:

3. Attending the spin class. Is that really good bike training? Would it be weird for a guy to show up?

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One other thought is you could take your bike and trainer to spin class. Ask first of course, but should be allowed. A little bit of a pain to carry the trainer (mine folds up and has a handle) and bike, but it would definitely be a cool way to mix things up.
Click to view willracefordonuts's profile Expert 55 posts since
May 23, 2007
22. Aug 24, 2007 7:22 AM in response to: chrisuletz
Bundle up and ride outside if the roads are clear. Here in Michigan that's a roll of the dice. Learned the hard way a few years back about ice in shaded corners. Like jroden said mix it up. Mountain bike if you can, Do cross. I snowshoe and found that to be a pretty good workout and it mixes things up.
I go to the spin class at my gym once or twice a week in the winter and the Monday class is mostly guys so I don't think there is the stigma you think there is. The cool thing about spin classes is that you can go at your own pace. I used it for recovery after my long Sunday runs when I was training for my marathon.

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Click to view jroden's profile Legend 1,683 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
23. Aug 24, 2007 8:32 AM in response to: chrisuletz
I use about a 12 week block in the winter for trainer work and do structured workouts where I make a grid and log heartrate, wattage and recovery. Each workout is harder than the last week, with either more resistence, more duration or less recovery. If the workout is going badly, poof, it's over. I do three sessions a week on the trainer, or replicate them outside from time to time, but in many ways the trainer is better.

strength--50 rpm's for 1-2 minutes, then 80 rom's for 20-40 mins

tempo- 30-90 minutes at 90 rpm's

strength/endurance - 5 or 10 minute intervals with decreasing recovery over time and increased wattage

For any given day, the total "work" will equal 40 or more minutes, so it's key to have the workload always below the point where you go anaerobic, there is no need to be pounding out hard intervals in the middle of the winter, especially for a triathlete who won't be racing until may.

Having the data of watts output and heartrate from the Tacx allows me to understand if my body is improving in its ability to do work without making lactate. Prior to getting this trainer, I did not use a trainer at all during the winter and really struggled through my early season races.