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Click to view chrisprouty's profile Expert 49 posts since
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Sep 9, 2007 2:48 PM

Okay, I've panicked, now what?

Let me preface this by asking that nobody ridicule me for waiting until a week before my tri to do my first open water swim. I went to a OW swim clinic this morning put on by the tri club that is the main sponser for next weeks race. My plan is (or was) to do the olympic distance race which is a 1500m swim. First drill was to sight, swim 15-20 strokes and then stop to see if we have any natural pull (or drift). Done, no problems. Next, swim out to the buoy, big problems. I started to fast, HR jumped and breathing was difficult. Not fun when you can't touch the bottom. Panicked a little, swam face out for a second (in hindsight, I should have just flipped over to my back for a sec) and struggled to get to the buoy. Swam back to shore. After that, I couldn't talk myself into going past the first buoy, which BTW was only about 100yds out. So now the demons are creeping in and I'm thinking about dropping to the sprint (500m) race.

Please provide Scriptures, ancient Chinese proverbs, kindergarten philosophy or whatever you feel might help me overcome this.

I plan to go out to the lake at least once more before next weekend and make my decision then.

Thanks in advance!
Click to view chrisuletz's profile Legend 549 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Sep 9, 2007 2:53 PM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
Chris, sounds like my first OW swim, which was at my very first sprint Tri. It's probably a one time thing... it's all about the first OW experience. My 2nd tri was olympic and I was a more relaxed. No more surprises, just took it easy and completed the distance.
So don't worry, it will probably be fine for you when you do the 1500m. Stay relaxed. If anything goes bad, remember you can go to breaststroke or even stay on your back. You'll finish the distance.
Click to view IMgomie's profile Pro 142 posts since
Mar 7, 2007
2. Sep 9, 2007 3:17 PM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
Welcome to the tri club!

My first tri, I swam 85% of it backstroke (if not more). I even had a multi Kona-IM talk to me after the race saying, "I saw someone out there thrashing around and I thought it was cool because I could go save them, then, I realized this person was going to swim the whole 1/4 mile backstroke." My face dropped and I said, "Oh, that was me."



You'll panic. Then you'll lift up your head, look around, and realize there are many, many people out there panicking with you. Take it slow. Breathe when you can. Survive the swim. You'll do fine. They say almost nobody swims their first tri all freestyle.

You'll be fine. Like I said, look up, look around, take your time wading in the water. There's no hurry. You have to survive the swim, then you kick butt on the bike/run.

You'll do it.
Click to view triandstopme044's profile Legend 1,454 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
3. Sep 9, 2007 4:37 PM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
My first OW swim was even worse than yours. I dove under a wave came up for air, and then put my face in the water to start swimming... but it popped right back out. I was totally jazzed to be finally swimming in the ocean, but every time I put my head in the water, it'd pop right back out. The next time I went out, it was MUCH, MUCH better. I took my time getting acclimated to the water temperature, and just focused on relaxing. Get out there one more time and you'll feel MUCH better about it.
Click to view dave.macluskie's profile Legend 299 posts since
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4. Sep 9, 2007 5:31 PM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
Totally normal. I know it happened to me in a big way. And you were smart to get in OW before the race. The second time is loads easier, and then they just fade into pure ease. Bring a friend, even if just to watch from the shore.

What kind of yardage do you put in in the pool?
Click to view Caffeinated's profile Legend 234 posts since
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5. Sep 9, 2007 7:41 PM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
I think it amazing how many of us have this same experience on our first OW swims. I had the same problem as triandstopme. Couldn't keep my face in the water.

I went back a few days later and was more relaxed. Each time it seems to get easier.
Steve
Click to view mmoonhead's profile Legend 524 posts since
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7. Dec 25, 2007 5:07 PM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
I think it's only natural - I felt exactly the same way during my first OWS and seriously thought about heading back to shore. Thank goodness I decided not to, because it is a great experience once you get yourself comfortable.

I got in my last OWS this morning before my first tri next week - hadn't been in open water in a month-and-a-half, and for awhile I was in semi-panicky mode. It's amazing how being at the pool (or more accurately, being able to stand on the bottom) is still a big mental security blanket for me.

But after some hesitation in the guise of warming up, I just remembered that I've done this before and in tougher conditions to boot. After a rocky start (mainly goggle trouble, as well as trying to figure out a good sighting rhythm), I got comfortable and it soon became pretty much like any other workout at the pool, sans that nasty chlorine and stuff.

You've signed up for an Oly, so I figure you have the fitness to cover the distance and you can handle yourself in the pool just fine. Now it's a matter of mentally convincing yourself those skills and fitness translate to the open water. You've done one OWS and survived - I'm betting your second one goes a LOT smoother (which happened in my case as well.)

- Joe

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Click to view lioness1's profile Legend 375 posts since
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8. Sep 9, 2007 8:50 PM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
Definitely, you'll be okay! At any supervised open water swim, there are always people to help, and as said, others have had/will have the same issues w/ panic. Just remember you're a strong swimmer ready to take this step up to something more challenging! And it will always feel a little weird the first time, before you get used to it!

I did an ocean swim two years ago having not ever done an ocean race before (I hadn't even taken a swim in the ocean for years!). Hardest part was just getting past the breakers, then I was fine. You will be too! Remember to give us the full report!
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9. Sep 9, 2007 11:55 PM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
My first OW swim was at my first tri. I also panicked some, but I got through it by doing some breaststroke. I'm a strong swimmer and didn't expect for that to happen. I went out too fast and then couldn't breathe. Stay back and take your time. If you can get in the water before the tri starts, do that. It helped me tremendously. I did a little better at my 2nd tri, but by my 3rd, I was so much better and had no issues. It is totally normal. At least you got it out of your system BEFORE your tri. I waited until the day of! You will be fine. Once you get into your swimming rhythm, you'll be swimming that 1500m nice and relaxed. Good luck!

Kelli
Click to view Ice Cream's profile Legend 602 posts since
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10. Sep 11, 2007 6:58 AM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
I did my first Half IM on Sunday and something similar happened to me. I panicked, my swimming technique seemed lost, and I did not stay on course most of the time when i did freestyle. I breaststroked a lot. When the swim part was almost over, i started to swim decently. During the first 5 min., i spent some time on my back.
I had done one olympic race before and panicked (did breast stroke entirely there), then went into a lake in Germany with friends in July and panicked, too. This was my 3rd OW swim.
I will be writing my RR one of these days for this site.
Click to view biketm's profile Legend 454 posts since
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11. Sep 11, 2007 7:24 AM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
Same here as most stated...panicked my first Tri swim also, but made it through, but the lifeguards were keeping a close eye on me.

I was going to ask a question about this anyways before this thread. I was going to ask...how many races did it take before you didn't have that panicky feeling anymore? It was just one for me because I worked hard in the pool and decided I would just relax and enjoy the swim...and position myself better so I didn't get pummeled, beat up, swam over and such. Since my first Tri, I have learned relax and not panic

How about others?

chrisprouty...honestly, you will do just fine...just remember to relax and have FUN!

Side note: I always have hated it when people before the swim will say "good luck" That always made me think "why, do you expect me to almost drown or something, is there creatures in the water that I don't know about, is there people under the water that are going to randomly pull swimmers under? I don't want to hear good luck, but rather "go get em" or "your going to do great. Just one of my quirks I guess.
Click to view lioness1's profile Legend 375 posts since
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12. Sep 11, 2007 10:37 AM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
I don't think I got as nervous as some describe, partly because many of my early swimming lessons were in a bay, so I got used to jellyfish, seaweed, waves, and the rest of it. So even though in my first o.w. swim I had been strictly pool swimming for a while, I at least knew what to expect in terms of conditions. What I had forgotten, though, was how far away things look when you're in the water as opposed to on land or in a boat. Also having to negotiate too much lane traffic in my pool made me more or less used to the craziness of starts--I actually stayed off to the side/back and that wasn't a problem either. Sighting definitely needed work! Still does to some extent, but at least I didn't have that sense of the whole thing being new to me. In the ocean, I had some panic during the beginning through the breakers, and I was going to turn back, but it looked just as scary to go back. Fortunately, an "angel" on a surfboard talked me through the last of the breakers, and once I was past them, it felt like normal swimming.

In retrospect, would I have practiced swimming in the ocean before that first ocean swim? I'm not so sure. I wonder if the panic I'd have felt would have made me change my mind and not do the race. This way I didn't have to face the panic twice! But then maybe I'd have been more comfortable the second time... who knows? After that race, I became less afraid of ocean swimming, though!
Click to view Dougie Fresh037's profile Legend 600 posts since
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13. Sep 11, 2007 10:54 AM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
In my first two tris I was very uncomfortable in the water even with a handful of OW swims beforehand. I wasn't able to do any freestyle at all. I had to sidestroke the swim both times. I couldn't get my HR and breathing under control at all so I needed to keep my face out of the water. This year though it was different and I think it was totally because of my thought process and the way I prepared. I spent all of my OW swims this summer, still only a handful, working on relaxing and enjoying myself in the water. To get comfortable I did things very similar to the way I do them in the pool. First, I warmed up with 20-40 yards a half-dozen times with a good 30 seconds rests in between. Then I'd swim 100yd a few times very slowly just working on relaxing, breathing and trying to enjoy that I was outdoors, with nature, no chlorine, no wall to push off of, etc. Right about the beginning of August it just clicked and suddenly I really genuinely started to enjoy it. This year's tri I was able to freestyle the whole way, never found myself panicky or out of breath and this was in the worst conditions with big waves and cold.

So, a few things to take away from this from the perspective of a swim newbie finally somewhat comfortable in the water:

1) Swimming is all about what's in your head. Drill being comfortable and easy in the water when you are in OW. Focus on that during your next OW swim.

2) Warmup. Don't just jump in the cold water and go for it. You warmup at the pool, on the bike and on the run. You need to warm up in the lake/ocean/river too or else you'll find yourself out there and out of breath.

3) If you have to forget about freestyle then just forget about it and do whatever stroke keeps you calm(er) and gets you from start to exit. There are no style points accounted for in your swim time and no penalties either.

Good luck. You can do it. 99% of this is mental. You have the fitness so work on that mental part and you'll be doing great and enjoying the OW.
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14. Sep 11, 2007 10:59 AM in response to: chrisprouty
Re: Okay, I've panicked, now what?
ProutyBoy, man do I miss you around here...

If you want more "shared experience," you may remember that my very first Triathlon was a test in staring death in the face and seeing who would blink first. Death blinked. I won. It was that harrowing an experience. I didn't even know how to swim and had innate fear of the water. I won't go into my background, but let me say that none of this was exaggeration. But yet I did it. And so too will you.

And it didn't end there. I had several more cases just like this, even when I was a better swimmer. Having no sensation in my entire body, not even feeling that I was breathing, I still punched on to complete the swim at a very chilly Mooseman swim because I knew failure would derail my dreams of Iron.

And the thing is, we've all been there.

But that only makes you feel better. It doesn't help you. So what can you do...

Know that these demons are in your head. You understand that, but know it. Because you will have to push them aside. You are strong than them, but only if you believe in yourself. Give them an ounce, they'll take a mile. So push those fook'n bee-astards aside and control your own destiny.

That plus, when you get in the water, slow yourself down. Every part of you. Your stroke rate. Your nerves. Your adrenaline. Your feet. Catch your breath and don't lose it. Even if it means you're the last in the water. Then slow -- and I mean slowly -- start working. Know that if they can do it -- they being other athletes -- there's no reason you can't too. Then slowly work up to pace. If at any time you lose breath or feel anxiety coming on, slow down. Slow down. Slow down. Breath. Even if you have to tread water. Breath. Slow down. Then resume. But don't stop for too long. Because that's when self doubt kicks in, and self doubt plays kind to demons, as it leaves the door open for them to come in.

Ironman Coeur d'Alene this year... I wont go into the back story, but know that it was the swim from ****. Conditions sucked badly. Whitecaps and all that. Everybody was panicked. I was too. One piece of advice that really helped me was to keep making forward progress. As long as you have your breathing under control, don't stop moving forward; otherwise self doubt can creap back in. And derail you.

Dude, you can and will do this. Know it.

It's like running your first 20-miler. You had self doubt going in, but you decided you would do it, you decided to trust in yoruself, and you took that step. I don't know about you, but for me I'm glad you did, because I still brag about our 20-miler together. And I'm able to do it because you trusted in yourself.