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23 Replies Last post: Oct 17, 2007 7:54 PM by formationflier   Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
Click to view Ice Cream's profile Legend 602 posts since
Dec 28, 2003
15. Oct 16, 2007 6:20 AM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
The question is whether they should all be, say, Boston Qualifiers, or whether they can be slower. I ran about 4-5 marathons a year for 10 years.
My body can take it, I am lucky and I keep my weight low. I would do one each season as a BQ, and then the others, after I had the fast one in, at slower pace.
I am not interested in doing that anymore, frankly. It gets od afte a while, and I decided to do one HIM in the fall and one marathon in the spring for the next 2 years.
I think i could easlily have done more marathons if I did not aim for BQ ever. I find that I get burned out now with all that marathon training. HIM was a noce change.
Click to view jroden's profile Legend 1,683 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
16. Oct 16, 2007 8:04 AM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
Thor--you must have connective tissue like steel cables by now--how many years have you been running on an almost daily basis? I think the fact that you race within yourself, but still at a fast pace might be what helps enable you to run so well year in year out. I used to run marathons in Nike American Eagles, then Spirndon Golds, both of which were 5K and down shoes, you'd feel the stripe in the road through those things. My body would feel uttrely destroyed after trying to race a marathon, many times I blew at mile 20 or so and brought it in on fumes. I think that sort of running really beats your body. Even after a 10 year "break" my body is too creaky to run a 75 second quarter, I think the marathons were a contributing factor for me because of my size and biomechanics.
Click to view ussoccer's profile Legend 1,748 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
17. Oct 16, 2007 9:06 AM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
quote:<HR>Originally posted by jroden:
Thor--you must have connective tissue like steel cables by now--how many years have you been running on an almost daily basis? I think the fact that you race within yourself, but still at a fast pace might be what helps enable you to run so well year in year out. I used to run marathons in Nike American Eagles, then Spirndon Golds, both of which were 5K and down shoes, you'd feel the stripe in the road through those things. My body would feel uttrely destroyed after trying to race a marathon, many times I blew at mile 20 or so and brought it in on fumes. I think that sort of running really beats your body. Even after a 10 year "break" my body is too creaky to run a 75 second quarter, I think the marathons were a contributing factor for me because of my size and biomechanics.<HR>

You're absolutely right. Racing marathons really beats up your mind and body. That is, honestly, the very reason I race very few and have gone on to run more within myself. The marathon a month was about running easy and, if the opportunity was there and the road just to enticing and flat, pick it up. Doing that, I've ripped off a few very good marathons -- good for me, at least -- but to race a marathon, that beats you up. One of my favorite things to do is to spending a morning among friends on a long run. And running a marathon is, to me, an amazing yet challenging way to spend a morning. But to do more than two or three per year, it's very, very hard to race many of those. I purposely shut that notion out of my mind so that I could focus on triathlon, the number one goal, but in doing so and in still continuing the run marathons, although the chances of me PR'ing are very slim, I've found that the all-around strength building of triathlons has transfered into my running. I kid you not when I say that I can feel the strength in my legs gained by the bike while I am out there on mile 22 and a little riser pops in front of me. I get that circular motion going, pretend I'm on a bike, and increase cadance while shortening stride, and hold it right up and over the hill. The bike has taught me that I will recover on top of the hill. And it applies to running as well.

But consistency and running within yourself is key. I use a term, "Let the race come to you." That is my way of saying that I will run within myself and slowly approach the blow up line, that very edge of redlining it, so that I can feel it within more control. To do so too quickly is all about racing, with more chance of crossing into that territory and never coming back with a nasty crash.

Truth is, over the years, although some of my most memorable marathons are the ones I raced balls to the wall from the gun, the truth is the body and mind cannot take many of those, and each needs a long time to recover and heal, often more the mind than body. And that's just it. To race a marathon or do a few of them, your time is limited. Look at the Pro's. Not only do their careers span a few short years (for the most part), but many of those, once their shot in the spotlight is done and the sun has set, you never see them running that distance again, and if they do, most are nowhere near capacity of what once was. And it's because it kills your mind. To lessen that, especially for someone who will never win anything but a once shiny medal with a few finger smudges on it, to be in it for life, or at least a much longer period than a few short years, the prize is to run within yourself.
Click to view ussoccer's profile Legend 1,748 posts since
Dec 11, 2007
18. Oct 16, 2007 9:14 AM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
Jr: 4 years in December.

Silly One: I think whether you hurt or not going down stairs after a marathon depends on all of the things discussed here.

If a body is not properly trained to run a marathon, the aftermath of any course will have them wondering how they will get down a set of stairs.

If a body is properly trained to run a marathon and the person races it hard, they will more than likely have a tough time with stairs.

If a body is trained and runs within itself, then it depends on the terrain for which they are prepared. An all down hill event will put them under if all the do is run flats. A hilly course will put them under for the same. But if they run hills all the time, then a gentle rolling course may be easy. On the other hand, if the train mostly in hills, a flat course will have their lower back and a few other stray muscles very tired, kind of like doing IMFL on the bike with the course being so flat -- you have to get out of saddle from time to time to stretch, otherwise you might not be able to move, let alone run, once you get off.

Key way to shorten that time is: stretch, walk (immediately after marathon and every now and then for several hours after), do stairs (see walk), stretch, maybe ice bath, stretch the next morning, do a light-light run or walk and stretch again... I think you'll see a theme. Personally, I've found a nice pint of Sam Adams helps, too. Two is even better.
Click to view kylemcm's profile Legend 265 posts since
Aug 16, 2007
19. Oct 16, 2007 9:25 PM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
If Jesse is still hanging around this thread I just wanted to tell him "Thanks" for keeping the thread in Basic Training going for so long. I started following that last year while building base for my first marathon. I didn't follow the Maff training to the letter or as long as it says to, (mainly because my HRM broke and I didn't replace it until this year.) But, what it did was slow me down enough so that I could get the mileage in without always trying to go too hard on my training runs.

Yea, a bunch of long slow training runs got me through my first marathon and took a minute and a half off my 5K time the next spring.
Click to view tsiltman's profile Pro 124 posts since
Jun 2, 2004
20. Oct 16, 2007 10:07 PM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
My husband ran three 100 milers three weekends in a row last fall. Not one injury. He usually does a hundred every month or 2. I have done a 50k or more once a month. Have not done that lately but I am anxious to get back to the trail and ultra running and off that bike.
Click to view IrishSailsman's profile Legend 223 posts since
Nov 18, 2007
21. Oct 16, 2007 11:05 PM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
quote:<HR>Originally posted by tsiltman:
My husband ran three 100 milers three weekends in a row last fall. bike.<HR>


Now THAT is impressive. I don't feel so proud of my 3 in 30 days!
WOW.
Click to view tsiltman's profile Pro 124 posts since
Jun 2, 2004
22. Oct 17, 2007 12:41 PM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
Yes, it is impressive. He is my ultra-man or maybe ultra-maniac!
Click to view formationflier's profile Legend 989 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
23. Oct 17, 2007 7:54 PM in response to: Guest
Re: Running marathons (like more than 3 per year)
quote:<HR>Originally posted by KyleMcM:
If Jesse is still hanging around this thread I just wanted to tell him "Thanks" for keeping the thread in Basic Training going for so long. I started following that last year while building base for my first marathon. I didn't follow the Maff training to the letter or as long as it says to, (mainly because my HRM broke and I didn't replace it until this year.) But, what it did was slow me down enough so that I could get the mileage in without always trying to go too hard on my training runs.

Yea, a bunch of long slow training runs got me through my first marathon and took a minute and a half off my 5K time the next spring.
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I'm glad it was helpful. You definitely don't need to follow to the letter
to take away certain hints that may be helpful to address a particular
issue. I don't expect anyone to even desire to follow my training regimen
or my particular race schedule. For some people, all they need is a
nice period of a few months of really taking it easy (but still running)
and that's enough to turn things around if they were on a bad path.


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