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9 Replies Last post: Sep 12, 2007 1:43 PM by elfitzpa  
Click to view pdstein's profile Amateur 26 posts since
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Dec 25, 2007 8:45 PM

How big a deal is sleep?

So, last night my fantasy football team is making headway towards overcoming a 32-point deficit. I need to go to bed and get some sleep before my run this morning, but I?m so close? I just have to watch a little bit more? just the first quarter? until I get the lead... the first half? Game ends at 1:45 and I end up getting 3 hours of sleep before the alarm went off. My run this morning[/URL" target="_blank"> was only 5 miles, but it felt like 10.

- So, how much does sleep (or lack there of) impact your performance?

- Do you do anything special to ensure a good night?s sleep when you have a run the next day?

Due to kids, even best-case scenario i rarely get more than 5 1/2 hours sleep before a run.

- Paul

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Click to view cherylhop's profile Amateur 26 posts since
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1. Sep 11, 2007 4:31 PM in response to: pdstein
Re: How big a deal is sleep?
I think this question is individual. I need at least 7 hours of sleep good for 8. I can do one day of having 5 hours but not two in a row.

Obviously if you were that lacking then you already have the answer to your question. Sleep is totally important to me I love feeling good when I wake up.
Click to view bluelake's profile Pro 66 posts since
Oct 25, 2007
2. Sep 11, 2007 4:54 PM in response to: pdstein
Re: How big a deal is sleep?
Sleep deprivation can have many short and long term consequences. I think you need to examine your priorities. Many people think they accomplish more by sleeping less, when in fact they are less productive.
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4. Sep 11, 2007 8:12 PM in response to: pdstein
Re: How big a deal is sleep?
More than sleep, my eating habits kick the **** out of me if I don't watch myself. If I start eating junk I know about it on my run because I really have to work it to get done. On the other hand, if I go a few days of really watching what I eat and making sure I don't do the junk - cake, donuts, etc. I end up much more productive.

As far as sleep goes, though, I will say that more and more I push my run back later into the night because I am tired during the day. If I got more sleep at night (I am in college so I don't sleep much) I would probably perform better. I do think there is a correlation.
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5. Sep 11, 2007 9:11 PM in response to: pdstein
Re: How big a deal is sleep?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by pdstein:
- So, how much does sleep (or lack there of) impact your performance?


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I think that, among many other things (food, weather, going out too fast, etc), a lack of sleep before my first and only marathon cotributed to how difficult it was.

While training for this marathon, there were a few Friday mornings I had to go out for 20+ miles because I couldn't spend the time on the weekends. On those days, I got up at 3:30 AM and went for my run, barely getting back home with enough time to shower and get to work.

Around 3 in the afternoon, I fell asleep at my desk. There is no way I was performing my best either during those training runs or at work.
Click to view JasonRobillard's profile Amateur 32 posts since
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6. Sep 11, 2007 9:22 PM in response to: pdstein
Re: How big a deal is sleep?
Here's a quick and easy way to feel pretty well rested on little sleep. Most people go through one sleep cycle in about 90 minutes or so (stages 1-4 and REM). Time your sleep out so you wake up after one of the 90 minute intervals. Sleep for 90 minutes, 3 hours, 41/2 hours, or six hours. Most people will feel more well rested after 3 hours of sleep (2 full cycles) versus 4 hours of sleep (you wake up in the middle of a cycle). There will be some individual variability, the 90 minutes is a human average. Since you were still tired after 3, it would probably be safe to assume your sleep cycles last a bit longer or shorter. Do some experimenting, you should find that it works ok.

Disclaimer- sleep deprivation is not good, don't do this all the time. A good deal of physiological recovery occurs while sleeping. For the kids- try drugging them so they sleep longer. :-)
Click to view mrinertia's profile Legend 1,356 posts since
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7. Sep 12, 2007 10:30 AM in response to: pdstein
Re: How big a deal is sleep?
Sleep is a HUGE deal. While prepping for my first marathon (16 days away!) getting enough rest was the hardest part of my training - harder than 22 mile long runs! Kids, dogs, jobs all conspired to keep me awake as much as possible. I found myself running with my eyes closing or rolling up in the back of my head.

One of the main problems with sleep deprivation is that it's effects are not obvious to the person who's suffering. Numerous studies have found that when people lose 45 mintues of sleep, they're performance suffers but almost none of them feel the effect. The effects of sleep deprivation are cumulative, too. Coming up 50 minutes short one night might not be the end of the world, but night after night it stacks up greatly. Also, due to its cummulative effects, if it's been going on for a while, it takes longer and longer to recoup your losses. 2-3 days of coming up a bit short on sleep can typically be fixed by a full night's rest. When that deficit starts hitting 5+ days, it takes a few to several days of full sleep to get your full swing back.

This is why I wound up trining only 4 days per week. I could handle the miles reasonably well, I just couldn't take 5 days per week with 5 hours or less of sleep. There comes a point in which the commute home from work just isn't safe.

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8. Sep 12, 2007 11:53 AM in response to: pdstein
Re: How big a deal is sleep?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by JasonRobillard:


For the kids- try drugging them so they sleep longer. :-)
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I'm sure you were kidding? This is a world where parents already drug their children on drugs, Ritallin, Prozac, etc..

I hope no one here takes this seriously because some might.
Click to view elfitzpa's profile Pro 83 posts since
Feb 8, 2006
9. Dec 25, 2007 8:45 PM in response to: pdstein
Re: How big a deal is sleep?
An important consideration is if you're increasing the chance of injury. I know that personally, my form suffers when I'm sleep-deprived and I've hurt myself on more than one occasion. It may be not picking your feet up off the ground as much and taking a nasty spill, being sloppy with your stride and giving in to the inconsistencies in your stride (we all have them!) causing muscle pulls or sore joints, or even spacing out and clipping a shoulder on a street sign or telephone post.

And yes, I've done them all.

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