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Dec 14, 2007
15. Dec 25, 2007 9:57 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Okay here is my question, I haven't asked this b/c I have felt stupid for thinking I'm not doing good enough.

using the formula of

220 - Age = Maximum Heart Rate
Max Heart Rate - Rest. Heart Rate x Intensity + Rest. Heart Rate = Training Heart Rate

SO if I do that then my heart rate should be 155 which I have NEVER achieved, 142 was my closest to that... I usually average 130-140 at the end of my run. I am running an average of 10:45mm and feel for 3 weeks out of C25K this is a good place to be but when I look at the math I feel like I am not pushing myself to my max and I should be doing better. So do I have my formula wrong? Or should I pick up the pace a little bit more? I am running a hilly run (3 large hills) so it's hard to pick up the pace since I get stitches in my sides when I do.

thanks for letting me ask

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16. Dec 25, 2007 9:57 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
First of all, that 220-age formula is very inaccurate for most people. It would put my max at 220-27 which is 193, but my actual measured max hr is 216. So I wouldn't do any heart rate training based on that.If you want to find your true max hr, warm up with a mile or two first, then run HARD up a few hills and check your hr. That should be close to your true max. I would only recommend doing this if after you have been running for a while, otherwise you might get injured pushing yourself that hard.

I personally run based on feel. 10:45mm sounds a really good pace if that feels easy to you. That's in the range of what I do my easy runs at and I just ran a 5K in 23:17. I wouldn't change a thing, just listen to your body. If it feels too hard slow down, if it feels too easy then pick it up a little.

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17. Oct 17, 2007 11:00 AM in response to: Better than yesterday
okay, my turn for a stoopid question... where do you get the intensity factor in this equation?

Max Heart Rate - Rest. Heart Rate x Intensity + Rest. Heart Rate = Training Heart Rate
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18. Oct 17, 2007 11:00 AM in response to: Better than yesterday
thanks for answering, I'm going to ignore the thoughts inside my head then! LOL I must also say that I used to be an All-State running in High School and I'm no where near that yet but I think inside me I feel like I should be!

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19. Dec 25, 2007 9:57 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by macd:
okay, my turn for a stoopid question... where do you get the intensity factor in this equation?

Max Heart Rate - Rest. Heart Rate x Intensity + Rest. Heart Rate = Training Heart Rate
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I personally like the formula on this site for HR training (although I just run by feel like I said):

http://www.brianmac.co.uk/hrm1.htm[/URL" target="_blank">

I have a high max hr (216), a resting heart rate of about 50, and find the the formula on that site is accurate for me.

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20. Oct 17, 2007 11:16 AM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by jclark77:
ok i have one. i understand that chocolate milk is a good recovery drink as it has that magical 4:1 carb/protein ratio. does it matter what type of milk (i.e. whole, 2%, 1% or skim) you use? i am a skim drinker myself. also, is there some optimal minimum weekly distance i should be running before i even concern myself with concepts like "4:1 ratio" and "recovery drink"?

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Don't think it matters what kind you use. Once you start increasing the mileage a lot and need a greater calorie intake, maybe switch to 1 or 2%. Skim should be fine for now, and yes I think it's beneficial for everyone to use a recovery drink. Strawberry milk works good too if the chocolate gets boring.
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22. Oct 17, 2007 5:06 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Here's my dumb question...

What's the difference between a "jogger" and a "runner". I'd rather call myself as a runner, but I've been going pretty slow. Am I really a jogger???
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23. Dec 25, 2007 9:57 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
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24. Oct 17, 2007 7:03 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by RacingThoughts:
yes I think it's beneficial for everyone to use a recovery drink. Strawberry milk works good too if the chocolate gets boring. <HR>


Also good is a mixture of yogury and juice (both lowfat, of course). My favorite is equal parts nonfat vanilla yogurt and cranberry juice. It's like a smoothie w/out the ice and banana. Throw equal parts in glass, mix well, and enjoy!

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26. Oct 17, 2007 8:41 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
that are on the course, you need to bring them down to size. Do the bridges that you will be running on in the race have pedestrian lanes so that you can run on them once a week? It's like Yogi Berra said about baseball - 50% of it is half-mental.
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Better than yesterday:
I think that if the main thing you are focusing on right now is the hills

If your race is still a few weeks out there, it certainly wouldn't hurt to extend one of your weekly training runs out to 3.5 or 4 miles.

Running the race will point out areas that you will want to improve upon for your next race. It's good to anticipate the hurdles and the potholes, but don't let them get too big in your head.

Good luck with your race.

Brian

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Thanks, Brian. No pedestrian lanes. It's a drawbridge - I would get killed out there!! I'll just extend my runs. My goal is to finish the race. I'm so excited about it - not for the competition aspect - but just for the fun of doing it. I've lost almost 20 pounds since I started running and I just feel like a different person. I turn 50 in December and I wanted to show myself that I'm not falling apart. After I had been running awhile, I realized my family had no idea what I was doing, so I took them out in the car and said, "So I start running here and I kept saying, "I'm still running. I'm still running. This is where I turn around." And they were amazed that I could go that far. I still am too. (sniff sniff)
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27. Oct 17, 2007 8:49 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by want2barunner:
Here's my dumb question...

What's the difference between a "jogger" and a "runner". I'd rather call myself as a runner, but I've been going pretty slow. Am I really a jogger???
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The answer I gave to this question a couple of days ago:

Horses have four gaits - walking, with one leg off the ground at a time, trotting, with two, cantering, with three, and galloping, with all four. Speed doesn't matter in defining these gaits - it's the legs that matter.

Human beings (most of them*) have two legs. This means that they only have two gaits - one foot in contact at all times with the ground, or both off it. You can call the second one "running", "jogging" or "strawberry shortcake". It really doesn't matter. If you do the second one in a walking race, you will be disqualified for "running" - regardless of whether you're doing a mile in fifteen minutes or four.


* My favorite bit of statistical confusion speak is this: 99% of human beings have more than the average number of legs.
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28. Oct 17, 2007 8:57 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Since this thread is now attracting traffic, it's worthwhile pointing out that there's a really cool resource for Frequently Asked Questions: the Newbie FAQ[/URL" target="_blank">.

You'll find a wealth of questions answered there, and you can contribute to it yourself if you want. Check it out, and bookmark it if you like what you see.
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29. Oct 17, 2007 9:10 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Okay, my turn. I am 5'8" and 217 lbs. I have been running since July and have worked up to a 45 minute run. My pace is 4.8 miles per hour and I am taking close to 160 strides per minute. My heart rate is usually in the 138-140 range at 160 bpm. I have a 29" inseam.
I can slow down my bpm by increasing my length of pace slightly. As a side affect, my heart rate goes down slightly too. However, without running to a specific beat in music, I seem to gravitate back to 160 bpm if I am not concentrating on the length of stride.

Now to my question. I am running with a cardio workout in mind. I do not have any race aspirations, other than a charity run.
Is there recommendation out there that would suggest how long my stride 'should be'?