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60. Oct 20, 2007 7:30 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
A quick stupid question...I am walking a 5K with friends tomorrow...we do it every year for breast cancer...blahblah...anyway...it should be W3D1 on C25K for me...should I wait and do it Monday or try to do it after the walk?? I am eager, but dont want to mess up my first attempt at W3 because of being too tired halfway through...thoughts??
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61. Oct 21, 2007 12:47 AM in response to: Better than yesterday
Penguin, BugsMom,

I had the exact same problem of going out too fast. The treadmill is what helped me. I set it at 4mph (which is a brisk walk to me by the way) and FORCED myself to learn that pace. It took several weeks.

Then, I would go outside one day and do fine, the next I sped up again and had to do a refresher on the treadmill. I am convinced that it takes much more discipline to learn to run slowly than it does to run quickly.

Honestly, it took me months (slow learner, I guess) to get in tune with my body and learn to pay attention to the signs that tell me I need to slow down. However, it CAN be done.

I partly wish I had bought a heart rate monitor to help me. I did not know to try that when I was struggling with this. You can get ones that sound an alert when your heart rate goes above a specific value. Could be handy.

Best regards,
Kitrin
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62. Oct 21, 2007 12:36 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Thanks, Kitrin, for the advice. I'll start using my treadmill more as a "pacesetter". Today, I set my Garmin to warn me when I exceeded the pace I set (similar to an HRM, I guess) & it certainly kept me alert to my pace. Just need to keep working at it like you did.

BTW, notice you live in Auburn...I live in Pioneer (Amador County). Are you running the 4 Bridges in Folsom next weekend? That will be my first HM. If not, maybe, we'll see each other at some other NorCal event?
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63. Oct 21, 2007 1:48 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Ohpennyroyal: I have a Garmin Forerunner 305....it does LOTS of stuff!!...I'm still learning to use it having a good time w/that as I am an info geek..... I keep track of my HR/pace, etc. (learning to slow down, etc. as this thread is talking about) I download the data that it collects into my laptop in order to plan/track/monitor my workouts (it's neat to see your progress on the charts!)....you can set alarms, laps.....oh yeah! & it's a GPS! So you can use to find your way back home should you get lost! .....I would recommend, googling it, checking the gear thread here on CR, go to your sports equipment store & check them out in person......they are a bit spendy....

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64. Oct 21, 2007 2:03 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Wow! That sounds really fabulous. Thanks so much for the information on it! I've definitely got some research to do on it now!
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65. Oct 21, 2007 3:17 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by BugsMom:
Okay, here's my stoopid question:

I don't know how to run slowly (okay - that's not a question, it's a statement...) My problem is that I can run fast (well, I guess to some people it's fast (others could blow me away ) -- I ran a 10 mile training run last week @ an 8:25 pace, not even trying to run fast), but want to pace myself better, so I don't burn out.

<HR>


You can run in place right? What are you doing to be able to run in place? You are taking shorter steps. All you need to do to run slower is take smaller steps. It will slow your pace and it will improve your form by preventing you from landing on your heels. Your knees and shins will thank you for that.

My stride rate, or the number of steps I take per minute is around 180. I maintain that stride rate whether I'm running at an 7:00 min/mile pace or a 10:00 min/mile pace just by changing the length of my stride.

Try it, I think you might like it.

Tom



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66. Oct 22, 2007 1:41 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Here's one:

What does "PR" stand for? (point of reference?)

Thanks,
Lisa
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67. Oct 22, 2007 1:53 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by CrazyDiamond66:
Here's one:

What does "PR" stand for? (point of reference?)

Thanks,
Lisa
<HR>


PR = Personal Record

aka

PB = Personal Best
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68. Oct 22, 2007 1:57 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
Here's my question:

I had ACL surgery last December and Arthroscopic surgery last August, will I ever be able to regain the "speed" that I had pre-surgery? I am was running a sub 11 second 100 meter for track and running a sub 17 minute 5K. I have developed both acute and patella tendonitis in both knees, a foot bunion on my right foot, and I still have clicking in my knee where I had surgery.
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70. Oct 22, 2007 2:54 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by MM Hippo:
You also may find that you really LIKE to run 12+ miles but don't have the time in your life to run more than 24 miles per week. If that means you break the guideline you don't need to worry that the guideline cops are going to pop out of the bushes and arrest you.

What it does mean is "proceed with caution." Over large populations of people there is an increase in injury risk when you exceed those guidelines.

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Hippo is the man, errr, the main Hippo. I agree, for a few years I would 50-60% of my mileage on the long run. Injury prevention is the goal.
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71. Oct 22, 2007 9:23 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
A few potentially stupid questions here, shoe related:

First: Is it worth investing in a second pair of running shoes? I've heard that it's better for the shoes and for your feet to alternate, a different pair every other day. I'm doing C25K now, so they're getting a day off anyway, but I do a lot of walking in my off days just to get around so I may start wearing my running shoes then.

Second: If I do get a second pair, should I just get a second pair just like the first? I was finally "diagnosed" as a severe overpronator by the guy at the new balance store and got a pair of shoes to correct for that, and I can feel a difference (my shin splints aren't nearly as bad when I wear them) so I'm inclined to stick with what works. Just wondered if there's any value in changing it up.

Third: In addition to severely overpronating, I have really high arches. I gather that's an unusual combination- most sites and discussions here seem to suggest that flat arches lead to overpronation, while high arches lead to supination. The shoes I'm using now are stability shoes with good arch support (and I really can't tell you how much difference this has made), but I was wondering if there's anything else I should look for because of my weird combination.

Thanks, and sorry for the long and potentially unnecessary questions!
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72. Oct 22, 2007 10:06 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by ogollyitsmolly:
A few potentially stupid questions here, shoe related:
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If those shoes are working for you, then yes, I'd advise getting another pair or couple of pairs (or lots). There are only three things certain in life: death, taxes, and the ugly fact that as soon as you find your ideal shoes, the filthy filthy manufacturers will stop making them.

Iontach, who's still in mourning for the Asics 1060s.
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73. Oct 23, 2007 12:50 AM in response to: Better than yesterday
BugsMom,

I will be on the other coast this weekend. Upstate NY here I come! Let's see how I do running in REAL weather.

Yes, we will have to look for each other at some other event. I anticipate being a bit of a cross-country commuter through Nov and Dec, but I hope to be around more regularly after that.

Best regards,
Kitrin

PS I am still working on 10k. HM is a ways off, I think.
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74. Oct 23, 2007 2:08 PM in response to: Better than yesterday
quote:<HR>Originally posted by MM Hippo:
Actually, there is another thing that develops very slowly but is really important. Your connective tissue gets stronger in response to stress and you gain injury resistance. Tendons, ligaments, and cartilage grows very slowly.

Most of those adaptations will happen at whatever speed you run, but the chance of an injury that will leave you sidelined goes up the more faster running you do.
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Thanks MMHIPPO, lontach and Brian! I feel much better about my 12 min miles now that you put it in perspective.

I've got a couple of stoopid questions.
First: Why is it that I tend to feel lighter on my legs when I pick up a little speed? I'm winded like the dickens but my upper legs don't feel heavy like they do when I stick to my 12 min miles. Could I be bouncing?

Second: Do people really run for 3+ hours? I'm doing 36 minutes straight and feel awesome afterward. But 3 hours?! I'd imagine that after about an hour I would need to walk.

velcro